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		<title>Paigep: /* monthly dues */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;monthly dues&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 00:24, 12 December 2024&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== finances ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== finances ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;=== &lt;/del&gt;monthly dues &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;===&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*&lt;/ins&gt;monthly dues&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Paige - Patrik from CCL keeps bringing up how our app (sudohumans) doesn't notify people if their payment doesn't go through. He expects we are losing a lot of money this way  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*&lt;/ins&gt;* Paige - Patrik from CCL keeps bringing up how our app (sudohumans) doesn't notify people if their payment doesn't go through. He expects we are losing a lot of money this way  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Jake - The software written by an early member. Im just starting to understand Javascript so Im not able to get into it much to make changes  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*&lt;/ins&gt;* Jake - The software written by an early member. Im just starting to understand Javascript so Im not able to get into it much to make changes  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* William - need more project management for the project&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*&lt;/ins&gt;* William - need more project management for the project&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Jake - Stripe can be programmed to do notifications too, just have to rtfm. or we can modify our own program.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*&lt;/ins&gt;* Jake - Stripe can be programmed to do notifications too, just have to rtfm. or we can modify our own program.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Kent - Ive been saying sliding scale of $10-$60. Seems like a good deal to me&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*&lt;/ins&gt;* Kent - Ive been saying sliding scale of $10-$60 &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;to new people&lt;/ins&gt;. Seems like a good deal to me&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Paige - we need a bank account for sudo eventually. Right now we are on Omni's.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Paige - we need a bank account for sudo eventually. Right now we are on Omni's.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== lighting ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== lighting ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Paigep: Created page with &quot;12/11/2024  * Attendees: Jake, Paige, William, Cere, Kent * notetaker: Paige/Jake   = Agenda =  == Nonprofit incorporation == === bylaws === * need board in bylaws.  * William - dont know that our members want a direct democracy. I dont think operating needs to be attached to bylaws, I think we should go with what works for other groups like CCL and Noisebridge. ** Paige - ...which is boilerplate member voting bylaws. But how we actually operate / decision make can be sp...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;12/11/2024  * Attendees: Jake, Paige, William, Cere, Kent * notetaker: Paige/Jake   = Agenda =  == Nonprofit incorporation == === bylaws === * need board in bylaws.  * William - dont know that our members want a direct democracy. I dont think operating needs to be attached to bylaws, I think we should go with what works for other groups like CCL and Noisebridge. ** Paige - ...which is boilerplate member voting bylaws. But how we actually operate / decision make can be sp...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;12/11/2024&lt;br /&gt;
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* Attendees: Jake, Paige, William, Cere, Kent&lt;br /&gt;
* notetaker: Paige/Jake &lt;br /&gt;
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= Agenda =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Nonprofit incorporation ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== bylaws ===&lt;br /&gt;
* need board in bylaws. &lt;br /&gt;
* William - dont know that our members want a direct democracy. I dont think operating needs to be attached to bylaws, I think we should go with what works for other groups like CCL and Noisebridge.&lt;br /&gt;
** Paige - ...which is boilerplate member voting bylaws. But how we actually operate / decision make can be spelled out in different internal docs that we put on the wiki. At least thats how I think Sudo Room operated before Omni? I dont actually know.&lt;br /&gt;
** Cere - agree to this representative democracy with wiki stuff about how we operate&lt;br /&gt;
** William - We should have someone paid to do administrative work, rather than volunteers. If anyone wants to volunteer, I dont think it should be through doing paperwork/managing nonprofit stuff, unless that's what they really want to do. We should pend time running projects and events. I think we create a rule around quorum, and offload admin work to people who are hired to handle nonprofit details.&lt;br /&gt;
* Paige - quorum by california corp code is 1/3 by default. i asked Jesse who said &amp;quot;you can specify a quorum lower than 1/3 but you have to give a notice of the nature of the meeting&amp;quot; which i think is better than keeping track of who's active and inactive.  The Notice method is good because we avoid surprising people&lt;br /&gt;
** William - maybe board members have a veto on things, i.e. solve some conflict where immediate action is warranted. i think we could come up with a list of short decisions&lt;br /&gt;
** Jake - I think we should do inactive vs active. we exist on donations of people who havent showed up in years&lt;br /&gt;
** Paige - inactive members then cant vote. Seems better to have any member showing up able to vote.&lt;br /&gt;
** Jake - Yes, so then inactive members only used to quorum just whether or not theres enough of membership to make a decision. but agree people should be able to vote every time they are present.  Confusing because Omni was configured that Quorum was 2/3 of the number of ACTIVE collectives.  And inactive ones couldn't vote.&lt;br /&gt;
** Paige - also problem with inactive vs active, is if you have only small number of people showing up normally, i.e. 2 people, then quorum is set to be way too low. &lt;br /&gt;
* decided on doing 7 person quorum via the bylaws. &lt;br /&gt;
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== finances ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== monthly dues ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Paige - Patrik from CCL keeps bringing up how our app (sudohumans) doesn't notify people if their payment doesn't go through. He expects we are losing a lot of money this way &lt;br /&gt;
* Jake - The software written by an early member. Im just starting to understand Javascript so Im not able to get into it much to make changes &lt;br /&gt;
* William - need more project management for the project&lt;br /&gt;
* Jake - Stripe can be programmed to do notifications too, just have to rtfm. or we can modify our own program. &lt;br /&gt;
* Kent - Ive been saying sliding scale of $10-$60. Seems like a good deal to me&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Paige - we need a bank account for sudo eventually. Right now we are on Omni's. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== lighting ==&lt;br /&gt;
* we should make lighting over the table so that it's possible to hack and have a good time without the other lights on at all.&lt;br /&gt;
* We need a ladder to access the bad ones&lt;br /&gt;
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== Roof ==&lt;br /&gt;
* roof seems to be done?! Yay&lt;br /&gt;
* we can take tarps down. &lt;br /&gt;
* lots of cleaning needed from roof debris&lt;br /&gt;
* Jake is buying hepa filters for the vacuums &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== doors == &lt;br /&gt;
* Kent - look at ADA for doors, dont need to be motorized. Requires 5lbs or less of force. Also needs to be a lever, not a handle.&lt;br /&gt;
* Jake - I think regardless of ADA they need to be motorized. &lt;br /&gt;
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== hallway ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Kent - would be nice to make it less institutional like hallway. &lt;br /&gt;
* William - anything prohibiting it? As long as it doesn't block egress.&lt;br /&gt;
* Kent - I can ask Valerie&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== discord ==&lt;br /&gt;
William is setting one up&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other ==&lt;br /&gt;
* might move Monday WNB to Saturdays 1-3 because its cold now&lt;br /&gt;
* Anyone want to run workshops with kits? We have a lot of arduino curie boards&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Paigep</name></author>
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