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		<title>Tunabananas: Created page with &quot;Peoples Open Meeting - 5 Sept 2017  = attendees = state your name, what you've been up to, and your favorite form of labor  grant (favorite form of labor: painting), blake2 (j...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Peoples Open Meeting - 5 Sept 2017  = attendees = state your name, what you&amp;#039;ve been up to, and your favorite form of labor  grant (favorite form of labor: painting), blake2 (j...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Peoples Open Meeting - 5 Sept 2017&lt;br /&gt;
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= attendees =&lt;br /&gt;
state your name, what you've been up to, and your favorite form of labor&lt;br /&gt;
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grant (favorite form of labor: painting), blake2 (just got node last week, had trouble), gregg (easy labor, new to mesh, wants to know more) eve (if she had a garden she would be in it), sierk (had no internet access for a week, helping things and society at large, things that are useful), blake (secure wifi protcols, militant labor) scott (childbirth, second choice: woodspliting), jorrit (thinking about workshop, no labor) &lt;br /&gt;
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=updates=&lt;br /&gt;
* scott - disaster radio - did range test last night, got almost .5 mile&lt;br /&gt;
* gregg - where can I get wifi right now from&lt;br /&gt;
** grant - explained difference between node-to-node and normal &amp;quot;peoplesopen.net 65.7.65&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*** gregg - wants to help with ipV6, so he can talk to ipV6 to the internet&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - thought on workshop, we keep coming up with diaster scenarios, but we don't need to travel far to find disasters, there's extreme poverty everywhere already, demonstrations, protest are a good example already&lt;br /&gt;
* blake - someone asked before last berkeley rally if sudomesh could provide internet&lt;br /&gt;
** sierk - recalls discussion of providing internet to the village homeless colony&lt;br /&gt;
*** jorrit - is it for communication between organizers&lt;br /&gt;
**** blake - walkie talkies were not working well because of static, most reverted to signalk&lt;br /&gt;
***** jorrit - make a list of needs and put it somewhere&lt;br /&gt;
****** sierk - scuttlebutt might also work in protest scenario, this is how we could test a disaster scenario&lt;br /&gt;
******* jorrit - these situations are perfect use case&lt;br /&gt;
********blake - that is where twitter came from &lt;br /&gt;
* sierk - bullitt put up bugs repo, will add a &amp;quot;bug&amp;quot; for a protest scenario deployment&lt;br /&gt;
** jorrit - maybe we can sit down for 10 mins tonight and go over the needs for&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==list of needs:==&lt;br /&gt;
* overly over lan&lt;br /&gt;
* encrypted&lt;br /&gt;
* push to talk&lt;br /&gt;
* messaging&lt;br /&gt;
* limit access, there are bad actors&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - a good application of [peoplesopen.net/gardenmesh gardenmesh]???&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - but it needs voice?&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - coins &amp;quot;demo mesh&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* sierk - should make it broader than &amp;quot;demo&amp;quot; mesh.&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - once it is working and working nicely, you can see what else you can use it for&lt;br /&gt;
* sierk - make it extendable for more use cases than just demonstrations&lt;br /&gt;
* scott - large number of users, and higher bandwidth utilties&lt;br /&gt;
* blake - is there a source of truth, are there public keys, who controls access? central node? star topography?&lt;br /&gt;
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--- a little intermezzo summarizing the demo mesh discussion ---&lt;br /&gt;
some use cases for &amp;quot;demo mesh&amp;quot; - communicating at a protest&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; shared trust between organizers / admins to create secured communication channel&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; communication channel contains voice walkie-talkie / group-voice / text / listen&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; communication channel contains text&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; client runs on smart-phone&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; use the &lt;br /&gt;
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some possible solutions&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; need a mesh of individual client be provide flexible, reliable network (wifi)&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; client needs to roam&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; (scott) go-tennas &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;gt; use same tech as counter-side is using - radios&lt;br /&gt;
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* grant - suggests mash up of sudomesh and scuttlebutt as an existing solution&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - that just goes back to technical solutions, need to focus on the problems...&lt;br /&gt;
* scott - mentioned go-tennas (https://www.gotenna.com/)&lt;br /&gt;
* blake - I have a friend with view on east bay from the city - &lt;br /&gt;
* randon link - Tactical Urbanism https://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/2017/09/01/tactical-urbanism/ &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==website==&lt;br /&gt;
https://pad.riseup.net/p/meshguides&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - made updates with bullitt added a donate button &lt;br /&gt;
* grant - invites comments on the meshguides pad above&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - planning to update website before website&lt;br /&gt;
* sierk - to work with grant on mailing list signup&lt;br /&gt;
* gregg - how is in change of the website&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - we all are - see https://github.com/sudomesh/peoplesopen-front&lt;br /&gt;
* gregg - I see a broken link to map on the wordpress blog &lt;br /&gt;
* gregg - do we have a coverage map? &lt;br /&gt;
** grant/scott - we have a physical map with pins / no coverage map&lt;br /&gt;
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==workshop==&lt;br /&gt;
here's the organizing notes for the  - https://pad.riseup.net/p/byoi&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - last week we discussed the order of proceedings listed in notes&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - suggests bullitt's logo design contest idea&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - does not want to do disaster radio talk, suggests that someone else should do a node mounting talk?&lt;br /&gt;
* scott - wants to know the requirements and desires for food, needs to know a week in advance and monetary compensation&lt;br /&gt;
** mediterraean food&lt;br /&gt;
** fruit and pastries&lt;br /&gt;
* jorrit - we haven't started the propaganda, where should we flyer and poster and post online.&lt;br /&gt;
* eve and blake - will print flyers &lt;br /&gt;
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==etherpad==&lt;br /&gt;
grant - tried to get etherpad instance running on digital ocean ... and ... only 20GB available so not running yet&lt;br /&gt;
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==node mount==&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - got one node up at the hearth got it connected to TMI - almost a three node mesh. &lt;br /&gt;
* blake - should we finish the node mount of last Sunday? when is the next node mount?&lt;br /&gt;
* grant - will coordinate with Marc, contact Bullitt about Dave (Berkeley Hills) house visit last Thursday&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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