White whine - Revision history

Jerkey at 23:43, 4 December 2014

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	best price:		best price:
			www dot aliexpress dot com/item/16A-32A-50-70A-SAE-J1772-EV-socket/2055615461.html
	https://www.jpson.com/product/j1772-socket-inlet-32a-for-electric-vehicle-ev-charging_p1034.html		https://www.jpson.com/product/j1772-socket-inlet-32a-for-electric-vehicle-ev-charging_p1034.html

Jerkey at 23:38, 4 December 2014

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	http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6146954-dTx5Rd/		http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6146954-dTx5Rd/

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			= standard charge connector

			definition (without physical dimensions for some reason):
			http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772

			best price:
			https://www.jpson.com/product/j1772-socket-inlet-32a-for-electric-vehicle-ev-charging_p1034.html

			make your own:
			http://img.directindustry.com/pdf/repository_di/12371/connector-solutions-ev-hev-applications-206239_10b.jpg

			http://standards.sae.org/j1772_201210/ behind a fucking paywall

Jerkey at 08:40, 2 December 2014

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	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries

			datasheets for similar (100, 140 and 180 amp/hour versions) batteries to the STM 5-200:
	[[File:Stmuk.pdf\|thumb\|saft battery maintenance manual for STM 5-100 and STM 5-140 flooded nickel batteries]]		[[File:Stmuk.pdf\|thumb\|saft battery maintenance manual for STM 5-100 and STM 5-140 flooded nickel batteries]]
	[[File:STM5-180tech.pdf\|thumb\|saft battery maintenance manual for STM 5-180 flooded nickel batteries]]		[[File:STM5-180tech.pdf\|thumb\|saft battery maintenance manual for STM 5-180 flooded nickel batteries]]

	forum ~~post~~:		forum posts (good stuff copied below):
	http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-td420847		http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-td420847

	~~Hi Walt,~~		-------------------------------------------------------

	~~According to Wikipedia, the TEVan came equipped with flooded Ni~~-~~cads, or~~
	~~nickel~~-~~iron batteries and then later there were "advanced" lead~~-~~acids and~~
	~~even some NiMH batteries. The two responses I've seen to your note~~
	~~seem to be making different presumptions about the chemistry of your~~
	~~pack and (obviously) the answer depends on that quite a bit.~~

	I've heard that flooded Ni-Cads can be killed by the accidental addition of		I've heard that flooded Ni-Cads can be killed by the accidental addition of
	even a miniscule amount of acid. On the other hand, the nickel-iron cells		even a miniscule amount of acid. On the other hand, the nickel-iron cells
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	anyone on the list has any experience with nickel-iron cells being sensitive		anyone on the list has any experience with nickel-iron cells being sensitive
	to contamination from acid.		to contamination from acid.

	~~Anyway, presuming you have flooded alkaline cells of some type, a~~
	~~possible explanation for the behavior of your batteries would be said~~
	~~contamination. Did you use watering equipment that had previously~~
	~~been used on lead-acids?~~

	~~Best,~~
	~~Joe~~
	---------------------------		---------------------------
	~~In reply to this post by Mark Dutko~~
	I have an electric G-van (converted GM van) and it has a 216v string of 34		I have an electric G-van (converted GM van) and it has a 216v string of 34
	air-cooled STM-5-200's. I can't find any data on these on Saft's site, but		air-cooled STM-5-200's. I can't find any data on these on Saft's site, but
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	I'd love to hear more about your MRE-180 watering procedure if you care to		I'd love to hear more about your MRE-180 watering procedure if you care to
	share, as it's probably pretty close to what these need!		share, as it's probably pretty close to what these need!
			-----------------------------------------------------------
	~~Thanks!~~

	-~~Phil~~

	http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6146954-dTx5Rd/		http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6146954-dTx5Rd/

Jerkey at 08:30, 2 December 2014

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	[[File:1413j.jpg\|thumb\|picture of battery tray of white whine]]		[[File:1413j.jpg\|thumb\|picture of battery tray of white whine]]

	quantity ~~33 (~~34?) Saft "STM 5-200" flooded nickel iron batteries with proprietary formula		quantity 34 Saft "STM 5-200" flooded nickel iron batteries with proprietary formula

	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries

Jerkey at 07:49, 2 December 2014

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	quantity 33 (34?) Saft "STM 5-200" flooded nickel iron batteries with proprietary formula		quantity 33 (34?) Saft "STM 5-200" flooded nickel iron batteries with proprietary formula
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	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries

	~~http~~:~~//www~~.~~evdl.org/docs/~~STM5-180tech.pdf		[[File:Stmuk.pdf\|thumb\|saft battery maintenance manual for STM 5-100 and STM 5-140 flooded nickel batteries]]
			[[File:STM5-180tech.pdf\|thumb\|saft battery maintenance manual for STM 5-180 flooded nickel batteries]]

	forum post:		forum post:

Jerkey at 07:25, 2 December 2014

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	-Phil		-Phil

			http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6146954-dTx5Rd/

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batteries

quantity 33 (34?) Saft "STM 5-200" flooded nickel iron batteries with proprietary formula

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93cadmium_battery#Vented_cell_batteries

http://www.evdl.org/docs/STM5-180tech.pdf

forum post:
http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-td420847

Hi Walt,

According to Wikipedia, the TEVan came equipped with flooded Ni-cads, or
nickel-iron batteries and then later there were "advanced" lead-acids and
even some NiMH batteries. The two responses I've seen to your note
seem to be making different presumptions about the chemistry of your
pack and (obviously) the answer depends on that quite a bit.

I've heard that flooded Ni-Cads can be killed by the accidental addition of
even a miniscule amount of acid. On the other hand, the nickel-iron cells
have a reputation of being nearly indestructable. I'd be curious to know if
anyone on the list has any experience with nickel-iron cells being sensitive
to contamination from acid.

Anyway, presuming you have flooded alkaline cells of some type, a
possible explanation for the behavior of your batteries would be said
contamination. Did you use watering equipment that had previously
been used on lead-acids?

Best,
Joe
---------------------------
In reply to this post by Mark Dutko
I have an electric G-van (converted GM van) and it has a 216v string of 34
air-cooled STM-5-200's. I can't find any data on these on Saft's site, but
they seem similar to the 180's. They also have a large "PSA" molded into
the plastic tops across from "SAFT". I assume they were made for PSA
(Peugeot/Citroen). The "STM-5-200" is stamped into the top of the case
permanently on each battery. There is no discernable date code I can see,
but they look to be about as old as the van (1990).

Here is a crappy cell-phone pic:
http://ingineerix.com/pic/?stm-5-200

Everything seems ok with this pack, and I've done 20 miles so far without
them seeming to be near end of charge. I'll keep increasing my mileage over
time to ascertain what my real range is.

The charger that came with the van is an enormous LaMarche 60a charger,
which is microcontroller-based and seems to have been programmed for "Saft
NiCd profile" according to what is labeled on the charger.

The pack is equipped with a watering system that consists of 3 water
"loops", one loop with 12 batteries, and 2 loops with 11 in it. The 3 loops
end in some sort of catalyst block filters that I assume are responsible for
neutralizing the electrolyte should it vent too much. The beginning of the
loops have fill ports with an auto-sealing valve system.

The electrolyte level seems "normal" (up to the bottom of the caps, and the
first time I did a "maintenance" charge, a little water appeared out of each
of the catalyst filters.

I'd love to hear more about your MRE-180 watering procedure if you care to
share, as it's probably pretty close to what these need!

Thanks!

-Phil