WomensProgrammingGroup - Revision history

Romyilano at 03:17, 26 October 2022

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	I haven't met many women's coding groups where there are people who actually code :)		I haven't met many women's coding groups where there are people who actually code :)

			I do recommend https://www.womenwhocode.com

Romyilano: Replaced content with "== '''Women's programming group''' == https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/a-room-of-ones-own-by-virginia-woolf '''Women need a room of their own.''' I haven't met many women's coding groups where there are people who actually code :)"

2022-10-26T03:17:08Z

Replaced content with "== '''Women's programming group''' == https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/a-room-of-ones-own-by-virginia-woolf '''Women need a room of their own.''' I haven't met many women's coding groups where there are people who actually code :)"

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	'''Women need a room of their own.'''		'''Women need a room of their own.'''

	Women's groups tend to focus a lot on women's roles as mothers, or serving mothers. If there is going to be a woman-focused group it is best that the group is focused on women being people, not just parents that exist to serve others. Mothers are people too you know!		I haven't met many women's coding groups where there are people who actually code :)


	~~For some reason women are generally encouraged to do web design and javascript and in women's programming courses people hesitate to introduce meatier topics like go etc.~~ I ~~don~~'t ~~know why this is. Stuff is presented as being very "hard" even when the women present are math majors. javascript is cool but it is one of~~ many ~~different programming languages that exist on this earth.~~

	~~'''Building yourself and your mind is the best thing you can do for society because then you are all that you can be'''~~

	~~=== Positive patterns ===~~
	* Women often are made to feel guilty for doing stuff for the sheer intellectual pleasure of doing it.
	* It is ok to not work in children's education
	* It is ok not to do stuff for the benefit of charity
	* It is ok to like stuff that is traditionally what men do



	~~That being said,~~ women's ~~programming groups should be creative and actually result in fun~~ coding ~~and exist as a human being, not a servant to society!~~

	~~=== Our Code ===~~

	~~We have a GitHub at SudoRoom here:~~

	~~https://github.com/sudoroom~~

	Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!

	~~Any women focused~~ groups ~~do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level (3 or 4 intro to javascript classes and then of course "learn how to do job interviews so you can get a jobs") and then they~~ are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work. Any deep intellectual work is viewed as selfish for women and instead they should go on pointless diversity committees and run charity events and run social media accounts.

	~~It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.~~

	~~=== Inspiring Women ===~~

	~~Many women in tech are nowadays presented only as teachers or mothers or as marketing gurus.~~

	here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people ~~apart or )''.~~

	~~It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list! There was K~~ who did the AR glasses startup who was hacking here for a bunch of years and she had nothing whatsoever to do with any diversity or women's groups, charity or children's education. Instead she just focused on learning hardware and didn't tag along as someone's girlfriend and if we can encourage that sort of behavior more then that would be cool.

	~~Maybe we can start getting a pattern of women just coming alone to hackerspaces, working only on projects, not running diversity related meetups and doing complex technical work.~~

	* https:~~//blog.jessfraz.com~~
	* Julia's programming zines https://wizardzines.com

	I don't know how to solve these problems but putting smart people on diversity committees and doing weekend fundraisers for children's education is definitely not going to be it and maybe those are what keep smart women from accomplishing anything meaningful to society!

Romyilano at 04:13, 15 June 2022

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	here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people apart or )''.		here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people apart or )''.

	It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list! There was ~~Kelly~~ who ~~started~~ the AR startup ~~Kura~~ who was hacking here for a bunch of years and she had nothing whatsoever to do with any diversity or women's groups. Instead she just focused on learning hardware and didn't tag along as someone's girlfriend.		It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list! There was K who did the AR glasses startup who was hacking here for a bunch of years and she had nothing whatsoever to do with any diversity or women's groups, charity or children's education. Instead she just focused on learning hardware and didn't tag along as someone's girlfriend and if we can encourage that sort of behavior more then that would be cool.

	Maybe we can start getting a pattern of women just coming alone to hackerspaces, working only on projects, not running diversity related meetups and doing complex technical work.		Maybe we can start getting a pattern of women just coming alone to hackerspaces, working only on projects, not running diversity related meetups and doing complex technical work.

Romyilano at 04:12, 15 June 2022

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	here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people apart or )''.		here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people apart or )''.

	It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list! Maybe we can start getting a pattern of women just coming alone to hackerspaces, working only on projects, not running diversity related meetups and doing complex technical work.		It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list! There was Kelly who started the AR startup Kura who was hacking here for a bunch of years and she had nothing whatsoever to do with any diversity or women's groups. Instead she just focused on learning hardware and didn't tag along as someone's girlfriend.

			Maybe we can start getting a pattern of women just coming alone to hackerspaces, working only on projects, not running diversity related meetups and doing complex technical work.

	* https://blog.jessfraz.com		* https://blog.jessfraz.com

Romyilano at 04:08, 15 June 2022

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	Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level (3 or 4 intro to javascript classes and then of course "learn how to do job interviews so you can get a jobs") and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work. Any deep intellectual work is viewed as selfish for women and instead they should go on pointless diversity committees and run charity events and run social media accounts.		Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level (3 or 4 intro to javascript classes and then of course "learn how to do job interviews so you can get a jobs") and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work. Any deep intellectual work is viewed as selfish for women and instead they should go on pointless diversity committees and run charity events and run social media accounts.

	It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.		It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.

	=== Inspiring Women ===		=== Inspiring Women ===
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	* https://blog.jessfraz.com		* https://blog.jessfraz.com
	* Julia's programming zines https://wizardzines.com		* Julia's programming zines https://wizardzines.com

			I don't know how to solve these problems but putting smart people on diversity committees and doing weekend fundraisers for children's education is definitely not going to be it and maybe those are what keep smart women from accomplishing anything meaningful to society!

Romyilano at 04:06, 15 June 2022

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	* It is ok to not work in children's education		* It is ok to not work in children's education
	* It is ok not to do stuff for the benefit of charity		* It is ok not to do stuff for the benefit of charity
			* It is ok to like stuff that is traditionally what men do

Romyilano at 04:05, 15 June 2022

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	Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!		Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!

	Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work. Any deep intellectual work is viewed as selfish for women and instead they should go on pointless diversity committees and run charity events and run social media accounts.		Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level (3 or 4 intro to javascript classes and then of course "learn how to do job interviews so you can get a jobs") and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work. Any deep intellectual work is viewed as selfish for women and instead they should go on pointless diversity committees and run charity events and run social media accounts.

	It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.		It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.

Romyilano at 04:04, 15 June 2022

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	Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!		Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!

	Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work.		Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work. Any deep intellectual work is viewed as selfish for women and instead they should go on pointless diversity committees and run charity events and run social media accounts.

	It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.		It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.

Romyilano at 03:56, 15 June 2022

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	here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people apart or )''.		here's a nice list of inspiring women in tech who smart, tackling meaty topics and working on projects that aren't about educating children or becoming a tech influencer or doing some kind of non profit work (''those are ok too but it gets hard for me to tell all of those people apart or )''.

	It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list!		It's a nice change of pace and I hope we can add people from SudoRoom to this list! Maybe we can start getting a pattern of women just coming alone to hackerspaces, working only on projects, not running diversity related meetups and doing complex technical work.

	* https://blog.jessfraz.com		* https://blog.jessfraz.com
	* Julia's programming zines https://wizardzines.com		* Julia's programming zines https://wizardzines.com

Romyilano at 03:55, 15 June 2022

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	Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!		Most of the projects at all the hackerspaces started by men, and I've seen many promising women diverted over the years to projects like charity and children's education. I see a general trend of women doing stuff that is mostly not fun and focused mostly on educating kids, while men get to work in education at a university level. It is also quite rare to see women doing creative art or music on their own at hackerspaces, they tend to take the "den mother" role, run meetups and throw benefits for non profits. It's also generally more common to see women tagging along as girlfriends of hackers rather than women coming of their own volition to hackerspaces - it must be a cultural thing, not sure why that is!

			Any women focused groups do not really try to get women creating at only a very basic level and then they are funneled off into doing stuff for charity or non profits and running endless pointless meetups instead of a actually doing great work.

	It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.		It's pretty disappointing and a '''huge''' waste of potential.