8th and Alice

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  • Address: 251 8TH ST, OAKLAND 94607
  • Two blocks from Lake Merritt BART
  • Four blocks from Broadway
  • In Chinatown
  • Small Chinese grocery on 1st floor and a bigger grocery one block away.
  • Restaurant (Chinese?) on 1st floor.
~$8 entrees. Other people viewing the space say it's really good.


The space is being managed and leased out by Creative Development Partners.


The space has not been used in 15 years. Its last use was as a big sewing shop/factory (same as Noisebridge's space).

Info from original email from CDP

We're working on a plan to do some much needed updating for a building with great bones, big old factory-style windows, wide-open floor plan, and unbeatable location and access. We've got up to 5,000sf (out of 10,000sf) of space remaining available and would love to find more folks like you to be part of this emerging cluster of cleantech and hardware startups. This space is ideal for growing startups who need their own space.

Not only is this location in the midst of one of the most vibrant neighborhoods in the Bay Area, in the immediate vicinity are startups like Fathom (http://studiofathom.com/), LightSail Energy (http://www.lightsail.com/), Blue Bottle Coffee HQ (http://www.bluebottlecoffee.com/), and Public Bikes (http://publicbikes.com/).

Incentives applicable at this location:

  • The City of Oakland is offering business license and sales tax abatement as incentives
  • The State of California's manufacturing equipment sale and use tax exemptions
  • The State of California's California Competes income tax credit
  • The State of California's New Employment Credit



  • Parcel number: 1-185-18
  • Property tax: $4,440 secured + $4,597 supplemental = $8,997
  • Assuming one floor is 1/3 of that tax: $2,999 yearly or $250 monthly

Building and fire insurance

We heard that the building/fire insurance for The Omni is only $500 a month. That seems _really_ low for such a big space. We need to get a quote, but for now let's assume $500 for one floor.

3rd floor

  • Larger than 2nd floor
  • Rooftop access


  • Sink in main space
  • Lots of natural light
  • Three bathrooms
One big enough that it could be made ADA accessible.
  • Elevator
Not ADA compliant but can possibly be grandfathered in as ADA compliant? Big enough for wheelchair to drive in and back out


  • Floor plan total: 5,425 sqft
  • Floor plan total minus elevator/stairways: maybe ~5,000 sqft
  • Price: 90 cents per sqft nnn.
  • Creative Development Partners IG cost estimate (on top of nnn): $0.25 to $0.50 per sqft
  • Our IG cost estimate: $250 tax monthly + maybe $500 building/fire insurance monthly
  • Total cost estimate with CDP: $5,750 to $7,000
  • Total cost estimate with ours: $5,250

2nd floor

  • Smaller than 3rd floor
Acupuncturist has his office there + some space lost to shared hallway.
  • Shared bathroom between acupuncturist and whoever leases the main space.
  • Stair access to ground floor.
  • No rooftop access.


  • Accessible via stairs from 3rd floor
  • Needs to be tested for structural integrity / leaks.

The CDP (leasers) will find out if the rooftop is usable. They are interested in making it a usable space. This would be an awesome space for outdoor events during the summer. Unfortunately no elevators go there and the stairs are narrow.