[sudo-access] keeping front door unlatched for "entry hall building permit"

David Keenan dkeenan44 at gmail.com
Fri Jan 6 17:07:25 PST 2017

Very true, that! Also needs be changed -

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Maureen Muldavin <muldavin.m at gmail.com>

> The doorbell is currently too high as well.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 5:04 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> on second thought, it's possible the pincing motion required to hold and
> swipe a card may not be ADA; and in grocery stores and stuff, an
> attendant/clerk is there to do that for people if they are not able to.
> There's some rfid fobs I got on jake's recommendation a little while ago,
> that Jake and the access group have hopefully been playing with to see if
> those might be able to replace the swipe system.. Any progress on that,
> jake? (Sorry I have not been helping with that but the post-ghostship stuff
> still has me sort of swamped)
> Best,
> David
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:49 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> Omg. Thank you all so much for working on this!
>> (CC'ing Maureen & Yar who are planning to meet up with me & Tara Monday,
>> to talk about our longer-term accessibility plan).
>> Fwiw I don't know if the keycard access is ADA-compliant or not. If I had
>> to guess, I suspect it is compliant since folks swipe at grocery stores and
>> other mandatory-accessible places -- and as long the swipe is not mounted
>> too high up, which I don't think it is -- but, I've never looked into that
>> specifically so I can't say for. Something to look up.
>> I can't think of anything non-compliant about having a locked door,
>> openable by the electronic / swipe system. IE my understanding is, when the
>> card is swiped, the throw is engaged and the door can be opened by just
>> pushing down on the handle. The outstanding issue is likely the amount of
>> force required to then open the door which last I checked was
>> >5lb/pressure.
>> On this tip BTW I also went over this week and renewed our associated,
>> recently expired electrical E permit that I realized would have also
>> prevented us from finalling this B permit (I think we forgot to extend the
>> electrical with the building permit so it expired, cost to renew: $205) so
>> now there is no block in that respect either..
>> Our new/old E permit for the record: ​
>>  E1700088 Elec Permit ext.of E1601588_2017-01-04...
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCWmU1cms3OExCRUE/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>> Yay, the signs arrived? Joe, that's great! I don't think I ever heard
>> back as to whether they were ordered so I'm relieved to hear it -
>> Re: fulfilling the entryway accessibility requirements in general, first
>> it might be a good idea to briefly skim the B permit's accessibility
>> worksheet as submitted (quick): ​
>>  Accessibility Worksheet - cafe area - FINAL AS ...
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCUllwQ0RaRFppM1E/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>> Some things on this worksheet we're not gonna do right now, like the
>> kickplate for example -- since, even if we have it on hand (which I think
>> we do?) installation makes little sense to me at least without the
>> automatic opener it's supposed to activate -- while installing a
>> nonfunctional button like this would actually open us up to increased
>> liability, compared to not having it..
>> But hopefully the signage will allow us to schedule the final inspection,
>> close our sole open complaint and then finally be done with it :)
>> It should be said though that, since as I understand it, we will now have
>> accessibility signage outside advertising the corner door an accessible
>> entrance, we are at significantly increased risk of accessibility or code
>> complaint, since the corner door is not yet actually legally accessible.
>> The most noticeable aspects being: last I checked:
>> ..still >5lb opening pressure for the wider door,
>> ..>2% grade in the front landing, and
>> ..the sidelight door is also very hard to open (i think the closer is
>> mis-adjusted for that smaller door)
>> Therefore, IMO with the signs up we really do have to make that door
>> actually accessible ie install an automatic opener --
>> Earlier this year, I got a quote on that for materials & labor (primarily
>> in order to help Mary Ann prepare for an accessibility grant): ​
>>  Platform Lifts & Opener Quote LAS 2016-11-07.pdf
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCZkZxRmxEMEdteTQ/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>> The 'Open Sesame' opener listed in the above quote is $2800 -- half of
>> that cost is labor, warranty, code compliance stuff. (The other stuff is to
>> e.g. replace our residential platform lift with a commercial one, if the
>> one jerry had stored for us is no longer available..) I do hear these
>> openers break down all the time so it might be worth it but we should think
>> about getting this done IMO.
>> To this end I would propose if we have any extra funds (such as from the
>> excess ~$30K from the $1M stock donation?), we have these contractors out
>> to install the opener and then we no longer need to worry about having a
>> genuinely accessible front entrance since it will provide equivalent
>> accommodation re: the opening force & exterior grade.
>> my 2c -
>> Thank you Joe!!
>> Best,
>> David
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:
>>> yes  Jake, that is a very nice option to have.  Robb does not think
>>> we need to do that for our inspection next week . What do you think
>>> David?
>>> I'll check further and let you  Jake, know if we  need to use that
>>> option.
>>> Thanks so much
>>> joe
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Jake wrote:
>>> Joe,
>>> do you mean you want the door to remain unlocked for certain periods of
>>> time?
>>> we can program the computer to simply keep the latch activated for hours
>>> at a
>>> time, that's easy.
>>> -jake
>>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, joseph liesner wrote:
>>> I am about to start hanging the access signs required
>>> to close out our entry hall building permit.
>>> I can only assume that for the inspection the access
>>> door on the corner of Shattuck and 48th should open
>>> just by holding the lever handle down then pulling
>>> (no key or card needed).
>>> Please let me know how to make this possible.
>>> Thanks
>>> joe
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