[sudo-access] keeping front door unlatched for "entry hall building permit"

David Keenan dkeenan44 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 8 21:00:05 PST 2017


7pm

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:56 PM joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:

> What time will you all be at Omni on Monday.
> joe
>
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:49 PM, David Keenan wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Omg. Thank you all so much for working on this!
>
> (CC'ing Maureen & Yar who are planning to meet up with me & Tara Monday,
> to talk about our longer-term accessibility plan).
>
> Fwiw I don't know if the keycard access is ADA-compliant or not. If I had
> to guess, I suspect it is compliant since folks swipe at grocery stores and
> other mandatory-accessible places -- and as long the swipe is not mounted
> too high up, which I don't think it is -- but, I've never looked into that
> specifically so I can't say for. Something to look up.
>
> I can't think of anything non-compliant about having a locked door,
> openable by the electronic / swipe system. IE my understanding is, when the
> card is swiped, the throw is engaged and the door can be opened by just
> pushing down on the handle. The outstanding issue is likely the amount of
> force required to then open the door which last I checked was
> >5lb/pressure.
>
> On this tip BTW I also went over this week and renewed our associated,
> recently expired electrical E permit that I realized would have also
> prevented us from finalling this B permit (I think we forgot to extend the
> electrical with the building permit so it expired, cost to renew: $205) so
> now there is no block in that respect either..
>
> Our new/old E permit for the record: ​
>  E1700088 Elec Permit ext.of E1601588_2017-01-04...
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCWmU1cms3OExCRUE/view?usp=drive_web>
>> Yay, the signs arrived? Joe, that's great! I don't think I ever heard back
> as to whether they were ordered so I'm relieved to hear it -
>
> Re: fulfilling the entryway accessibility requirements in general, first
> it might be a good idea to briefly skim the B permit's accessibility
> worksheet as submitted (quick): ​
>  Accessibility Worksheet - cafe area - FINAL AS ...
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCUllwQ0RaRFppM1E/view?usp=drive_web>
>> Some things on this worksheet we're not gonna do right now, like the
> kickplate for example -- since, even if we have it on hand (which I think
> we do?) installation makes little sense to me at least without the
> automatic opener it's supposed to activate -- while installing a
> nonfunctional button like this would actually open us up to increased
> liability, compared to not having it..
>
> But hopefully the signage will allow us to schedule the final inspection,
> close our sole open complaint and then finally be done with it :)
>
> It should be said though that, since as I understand it, we will now have
> accessibility signage outside advertising the corner door an accessible
> entrance, we are at significantly increased risk of accessibility or code
> complaint, since the corner door is not yet actually legally accessible.
>
> The most noticeable aspects being: last I checked:
>
> ..still >5lb opening pressure for the wider door,
>
> ..>2% grade in the front landing, and
>
> ..the sidelight door is also very hard to open (i think the closer is
> mis-adjusted for that smaller door)
>
> Therefore, IMO with the signs up we really do have to make that door
> actually accessible ie install an automatic opener --
>
> Earlier this year, I got a quote on that for materials & labor (primarily
> in order to help Mary Ann prepare for an accessibility grant): ​
>  Platform Lifts & Opener Quote LAS 2016-11-07.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCZkZxRmxEMEdteTQ/view?usp=drive_web>
>> The 'Open Sesame' opener listed in the above quote is $2800 -- half of
> that cost is labor, warranty, code compliance stuff. (The other stuff is to
> e.g. replace our residential platform lift with a commercial one, if the
> one jerry had stored for us is no longer available..) I do hear these
> openers break down all the time so it might be worth it but we should think
> about getting this done IMO.
>
> To this end I would propose if we have any extra funds (such as from the
> excess ~$30K from the $1M stock donation?), we have these contractors out
> to install the opener and then we no longer need to worry about having a
> genuinely accessible front entrance since it will provide equivalent
> accommodation re: the opening force & exterior grade.
>
> my 2c -
>
> Thank you Joe!!
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:
>
> yes  Jake, that is a very nice option to have.  Robb does not think
> we need to do that for our inspection next week . What do you think David?
> I'll check further and let you  Jake, know if we  need to use that option.
> Thanks so much
> joe
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Jake wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> do you mean you want the door to remain unlocked for certain periods of
> time?
>
> we can program the computer to simply keep the latch activated for hours
> at a
> time, that's easy.
>
> -jake
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, joseph liesner wrote:
>
> I am about to start hanging the access signs required
>
> to close out our entry hall building permit.
>
> I can only assume that for the inspection the access
>
> door on the corner of Shattuck and 48th should open
>
> just by holding the lever handle down then pulling
>
> (no key or card needed).
>
> Please let me know how to make this possible.
>
> Thanks
>
> joe
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