[mesh-dev] What we learned today

[max b]

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> That idea sounds like it has potential, though we're not really getting
> 100 mbps (might be partially due to our in-house wiring) and especially not
> upstream.


I thought that we were getting nearly 100mbps symmetric from the modem....
How are we testing this?

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:

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> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:37 PM, max b <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks for updating us so quickly with this! I'm just going to ponder out
>> loud for a little seeing as how we seem to be a bit stuck in the
>> brainstorming phase of this.
>>
>> The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the
>>> hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using
>>> licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some
>>> perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost.
>>
>>
>> Do we think that a data center might allow us to put something on their
>> roof? FR got away with it for a while with L3 in Mendocino, but it seems
>> like we'll be likely interfacing with a much busier datacenter
>>
>> Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport
>>> (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can
>>> connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link
>>> may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost.
>>
>>
>> Well we are VERY close to the BART line, so in that way we're pretty
>> lucky :-) Any idea how we follow up with that? Did they suggest any places
>> to start?
>>
>>
> The district 4 director of BART actually came by old sudo room and Matt
> and myself sat down with him for a while. I talked to him again about the
> mesh at the Temescal street fair this past July and he said he'd introduce
> us to the person responsible for the BART fiber when we were ready. Here's
> his info:
>
>   http://www.bart.gov/about/bod/bodMembersDetail_04
>
> I might have his private number somewhere in case you can't reach him on
> that number.
>
>
>
>>
>> Ok and just one more idea: We're paying around $100/month for our
>> bi-directional 100mbps connection at omni. That connection regularly gets
>> used by dozens of people. Would it be feasible to put out a call for people
>> who can be served by LMI and/or who might have alternative access to 100mps
>> (symmetric-ish)? We could figure out a way to at least partially subsidize
>> their connection prices. At that point, we're paying $1/mbps and we'd have
>> decentralized locations which could potentially improve our range....
>>
>
> That idea sounds like it has potential, though we're not really getting
> 100 mbps (might be partially due to our in-house wiring) and especially not
> upstream. Finding people who are super close to the dslams and have tall
> rooftops might work though.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Alexander Papazoglou <papazoga at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Today April and I spoke with Tim and Chris about our
>>> problems with obtaining an uplink. The tl;dr version is that
>>> we have two possibilities for circumventing the last-mile
>>> shakedown: BART and radio links.
>>>
>>> You probably don't need to read the rest. :)
>>>
>>> First off, the prices quoted to us for a 1Gbit were fairly
>>> normal. They are due to the last-mile being neither competitive
>>> nor transparent. Zayo may still be an option, but getting the
>>> building wired for fiber may be a huge ordeal and it still might
>>> be very expensive.
>>>
>>> The only workaround may be to find an alternative, cheaper
>>> route to a data center; IP transit is cheap these days and
>>> getting cheaper. There are two sources of problems
>>> here: transport (the connection from our network to a
>>> data center) and data center internals.
>>>
>>> The data centers we have available to us are: "365 Main St."
>>> in downtown Oakland, Evocative in Emeryville, and then
>>> things further away such as Hurricane Electric. Unfortunately,
>>> the AT&T CO near the Omni is probably not useful to us.
>>> There's a whole lot of cost and complexity involved in getting into a
>>> data center and it would be nice to avoid paying for co-location.
>>>
>>> Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport
>>> (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can
>>> connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link
>>> may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost.
>>>
>>> The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the
>>> hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using
>>> licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some
>>> perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost.
>>>
>>> We also discussed my idea of attaching fiber to poles, which
>>> seems to be feasible in theory but probably prohibitively expensive
>>> for us.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
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