[Mesh] openandnotorious.org

[eddan.com]

Additionally, at the time this was originally suggested (May '12, when Sudo Room was meeting at Tech Liminal) - the idea was to work with Oakland Local to do technology training events in WiFi under-resourced neighborhoods. Training people locally on how to set these up would: (1) teach marketable skills to people who otherwise might not have access to this training; and (2) create community support to deter theft and build solidarity when a bank or cop tries to take it down.

What tickles my fancy is that after 5 years, the bank (or absentee owner) would actually be the one trespassing if they tried to remove it.

sent from eddan.com

> On Nov 30, 2013, at 12:10 PM, "eddan.com" <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:
> 
> Our laws in the US are particularly unfriendly to squatting and favor property owners much more so than in Europe. (Though it's my understanding that this is changing, Amsterdam being an example of recently changed laws).
> 
> The use of the land for something, like a path to walk through, or setting up a garden, etc. - which is what is meant by easement - are significantly more flexible and friendly to the land user (that is not the owner). In California, the term is 5 years.
> 
> I most definitely agree that it should be editable by anyone and useful for multiple causes trying to accomplish positive opportunities for individuals in need of those resources and the neighborhood community in general.
> 
> The focus on properties themselves rather than the wireless nodes in particular is most definitely my intention. Not only for all the possibilities it offers, but also because it keeps the site falling short of instigating or suggesting or aiding, etc. any of those particular uses that may expose the site to legal liability.
> 
> sent from eddan.com
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>>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Gui Iribarren <gui at altermundi.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2013 02:51 AM, Mitar wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Awesome! I would only add one more idea: make this site open and
>>> editable by anyone. I bet there are other people and communities doing
>>> similar things, maybe not for wireless, but something else.
>> 
>> indeed
>> 
>> http://casastristes.org/
>> 
>> literal translation would be "sad houses", and for those who are not current on the situation in spain, it means unhabited houses (in many cases, no one has lived there since it was built!), product of the real-estate bubble
>> 
>> the main objective of casastristes.org is not to put wireless nodes :P, but to get actual people to live in those houses.
>> so, sounds similar to the Slovenia website you mention
>> 
>>> We had in Slovenia a similar website mapping abandoned spaces so that
>>> people had easier time occupying them. Listing all necessary and
>>> interesting details like who last known owner is, reasons for spaces
>>> being empty and some ideas for their use.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mitar
>>> 
>>>> i got openandnotorious.org to map out abandoned and foreclosed properties, where nodes placed in these locations would turn into a legally recognized easement surviving new owners after 5 years under California law under the doctrine of adverse possession (for easements). The legal requirements for possession during this period include other factors, but the main ones are that the use be open and notorious. While proving that may otherwise be difficult, being listed on openandnotorious.org would solidify the presumption.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/sudoroom/2012-May/000240.html
>>>>> Dear Sudo people.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had the wonderful opportunity last night to talk to Brewster Kahle (http://brewster.kahle.org/about/) of the Internet Archive (http://archive.org/) for a long while about the emergence of Oakland's tech communities and of our activities at Sudo Room, Oakland Local, and Tech Liminal. [Susan - he told me to pass along his warm regards.]
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was psyched to learn that Brewster has been making serious efforts to enable open WiFi across cities & neighborhoods in the Bay Area (& elsewhere). There's some coverage of his initiatives in connection to San Francisco housing projects (http://gawker.com/373658/brewster-kahles-internet-archive-brings-broadband-to-sf-housing-projects) and more recently on our side of the bay, in Richmond (http://richmondconfidential.org/2011/10/10/archive-org-founder-talks-free-wifi-with-richmond-officials/).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I shared with him some of our initial discussions about solar powered WiFi routers providing public access to the Internet from the top of foreclosed and abandoned properties around town. I even took him through the 5-year adverse possession plan to get easement property rights to keep them there permanently. He was intrigued and most importantly gave a strong indication that he would like to support our efforts and particularly in helping create the backbone across Oakland that would facilitate mesh networks. As a first step, he suggested that we map out 25 or so of the taller buildings around the city that would allow us to put some antennae equipment on their roofs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone is interested in working on the project and/or sharing their thoughts about it, that would be hella great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Eddan
>>>> 
>>>> 
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