[sudo-discuss] anyone able to pick up an x-ray machine from Daly City?

Fri Feb 8 13:47:04 PST 2013

I'm all for all due do-ocratic caution on this.

It reminded me vaguely of the Goiania incident, involving radioactive
material salvaged from defunct medical equipment:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goiania_accident
Not exactly the same set of concerns here, but instructive nonetheless.
On Feb 8, 2013 1:12 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah, ya'll need to relax.
>
> First of all, the machine is inoperable at the moment.
>
> Second, we're still trying to pick it up.
>
> Third, it doesn't HAVE to be at sudo room at all, especially if it's not
> safe, etc.
>
> Remember: value do-ocracy over bureaucracy.
>
> // Matt
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Additionally, I believe that hazardous radiation may be in conflict with
>> our safe space policies. Perhaps we can draft a radiation policy at the
>> next meeting?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> IMO its possibly better for us to do non radioactive art projects.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm all in favor of avoiding exposure to x-rays. I'd say this thing
>>>> probably is never going to work, and might make an interesting art project
>>>> or something.
>>>>
>>>> If people are serious about attempting to make it work as an x-ray
>>>> source, there would need to be a clear plan about how people would be
>>>> protected from it. And I suspect that the time while the fix is being
>>>> attempted, that is the most likely time to have accidental exposure to
>>>> x-rays, so protection would need to come first.
>>>>
>>>> Probably requires building some sort of lead lined enclosure around the
>>>> thing with safety interlocks to make sure the door is closed before it can
>>>> turn on, and that would probably be pretty expensive.
>>>>
>>>> But if people are really into it, and can put up the money to make it
>>>> happen...then the idea should be considered.
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <
>>>> ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Steve, those lead shields are useful in minimizing radiation
>>>>> exposure in a clinical setting but unfortunately in a hacker space I would
>>>>> probably classify having an active X-ray source as a hazardous danger. I'm
>>>>> not against controlled risks but there is a very real risk of inadvertantly
>>>>> exposing other occupants to X-rays (even accidentally) and that could be a
>>>>> problem. Similar to some of the biowork that a few of us are hoping to do,
>>>>> we have to be really careful to ensure Sudo room is a physically safe
>>>>> enviroment (within reason) for all members, even if that means some things
>>>>> may not be possible in our shared space and I would feel a little
>>>>> uncomfortable with an active X-ray source being used (even if I'm in the
>>>>> other room).
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any additional thoughts on this? I'm not an X-ray (or
>>>>> radiation) expert but I just wanted to chime in around the safety
>>>>> considerations that I thought might be important for us!
>>>>>
>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Matthew Meier <wolfy at wlfy.it> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In theory this thing first actually work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was unable to meet up yesterday so someone still needs to pick it
>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Wolfy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 8, 2013, Steve Berl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.universalmedicalinc.com/Lead-Shields-s/232.htm?gclid=CKuco-q5p7UCFct7QgodkSgAVQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 8, 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a word of caution from a Bio/Clinical guy (which I'm sure most
>>>>>>>> of you are aware of but I just thought I'd bring it up).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have to be really careful with X-ray's and if/when they're used
>>>>>>>> in Sudo room as it can be carcinogenic (ionizing radiation causes DNA
>>>>>>>> damage with potential to cause cancer). Radiation sources can also
>>>>>>>> penetrate walls, so it could have potential outside of the confines of
>>>>>>>> sudoroom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the machine is held in Sudo room we should also clearly mark it
>>>>>>>> and let everyone know if/when it's activated!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What sort of an X-ray machine? I've always thought it would be
>>>>>>>>> handy to have one around to see what's inside various devices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 7, 2013, Matthew Senate wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wolfy lives close by there, so he can pick it up!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know, would be great to get someone close by soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> -steve
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ryan Bethencourt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: (415) 794 6463
>>>>>>>> ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.bamh1.com
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan Bethencourt
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: (415) 794 6463
>>>>> ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> www.bamh1.com
>>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt
>>>>> www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -steve
>>>>
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