[sudo-discuss] temporary email suspensions
Rachel McConnell
rachel at xtreme.com
Thu Oct 31 15:01:10 PDT 2013
Doesn't mailman have a feature where a user can be put into moderation?
Separate from the whole list being moderated.
Rachel1.0 (lurker with a bit of list management experience)
On 10/31/13 1:36 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
> Perhaps we can institute a "TRO-l bloc" action, with priorly agreed upon
> parameters.
>
> Law folks call stopping someone from doing something before everyone's
> gotten a chance to get a good handle on what's going on, most
> importantly a judge - a temporary restraining order (TRO) or preliminary
> injunction. So TRO-listserv (or TRO-l) could have some settled upon
> period and parameters by which it can be instituted without
> consensus-taking. When talking about speech and code though, the rise of
> (usually entertainment) company calls for shutting down websites
> immediately amounts to "Prior Restraint" - which often seems draconian
> especially to free speech/open culture advocates. The standard for doing
> something that would amount to a prior restraint would then be stricter
> for an action to be taken and require more checks and balances as a result.
>
> Excuse the long-winded way about it - but I think this lens helps me at
> least tease out what may have been bothering some people on the list
> about how action was taken in solving the problem.
>
> Not sure how Holacracy! deals with it yet. And unfortunately not going
> to be able to make this next workshop they're hosting.
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com
> <mailto:tunabananas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> For the record, the action was taken by three people - myself, Matt,
>> and Marc when we were at sudo late last night working on things (such
>> as this weekend's event). All three of us have access to the listserv
>> and regularly moderate the bounces, mailman errors, etc. Matt sent
>> Giovanni a private email informing him that he'd been removed from the
>> list.
>>
>> I entirely support the suspension of someone who's not only been
>> spamming the list, but has been defacing Noisebridge's wiki and
>> posting messages such as the following:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/039832.html
>>
>> Banning someone from a mailing list is *not* the same as banning them
>> from the physical community; it's a preservation mode so we don't
>> receive a bevy of heartbreaking unsubscribe requests. And we are also
>> hoping people can come together this weekend and support Sudo Room in
>> person - though many of you may have missed those posts in the barrage.
>>
>> Jenny
>> http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/>
>> http://thepyre.org <http://thepyre.org/>
>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/>
>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/>
>>
>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>> -Laurie Anderson
>>
>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>> it."
>> -Hannah Arendt
>>
>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lovelle Mixon <sudoroom at ilovebeer.ca
>> <mailto:sudoroom at ilovebeer.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> Running a listserv is a completely thankless job.
>>
>> You're just witnessing how giovanni_re/john fastmail/john/john
>> regan works. I don't think
>> he's a bad person. He's not assaulting anyone. He is genuinely
>> excited about computers
>> and Linux and communities and free software. His usual mode is he
>> joins a free culture/
>> community/open source software community mailing list, and then
>> every few months or so
>> starts cross posting interesting links or forwarding emails from
>> one list to the other,
>> no editing, just WHAM here read email from this other place, not
>> realizing that if someone
>> wants to read email from the other mailing list, they would just
>> JOIN that mailing list,
>> no need to forward it. He's been doing this for over 10 years.
>> He'll be doing it
>> long after sudoroom is gone.
>>
>> You usually don't notice what's happening because he's on a LOT of
>> mailing lists, and annoying
>> each of the mailing lists is a lot of work, so he doesn't get
>> around to forwarding stuff
>> to your mailing list until about a month in the cycle.
>>
>> Sometimes he gets super excited about something ( RADIO! ) and
>> starts concentrating on
>> your particular community, and boom you get the 10 emails in 1
>> hour problem you just saw.
>>
>> Unknown how to properly deal with him. People don't join his list
>> BerkeleyTIP so he feels
>> the need to branch out. Personally, I think it would help if he
>> fixed the links on his site
>> that are broken and updated and are over 4 years old now. That
>> would be a great start.
>>
>> John, you have a perfectly good wiki over on BerkeleyTIP. You
>> could update it with spectrum FCC
>> radio announcements. You've been trying to get inspire
>> Noisebridge and Sudoroom to grab
>> some spectrum of their own. Getting your website in order would
>> be a good start.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Lovelle
>>
>>
>>
>>
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