[sudo-discuss] Call for Facilitators / Participants in a sudo Men's Group

Wed Feb 26 22:40:16 PST 2014

Hi folks,
I don't have the time to make it out to Oakland much, nor the
bandwidth for another group. Thanks for thinking of me, and good luck!
-Tom

On 25 February 2014 21:39, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would also suggest that a nice place to start is maybe this ADA Initiative
> Allies Workshop. There are two coming up in the beginning of march, the 7th
> and 11th. $200-Free sliding scale:
>
> http://adainitiative.org/2014/02/allies-workshops-in-the-san-francisco-bay-area/
>
> I watched a video of a past workshop and it was really useful. I didn't
> realize about how you make somebody aware that you don't like their sexist
> behaviour and then drop it and move on. They also mentioned about how to
> utilize "Charle's rules for arguments" to not get too involved in arguing.
> Your allow to make your point, and one clarification, and then you don't
> argue any more.
> http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/03/21/charles_rules_of_argument/
>
> notconfusing
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tossing my hat in!  Been wanting to start men's feminist circle myself.  I
>> wonder if we can make this a skype call in or something.  <3    Also, just
>> read this great little MVC essay which makes me think about hackerspace
>> interactions a lot
>> http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/ceo-archetypes-7-joan-of-arc
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Max for filling out your availability! Other interested parties,
>>> please do so here: http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
>>>
>>> Thanks Jenny for the cc, (Hi Tom), and that sounds like a great first
>>> agenda item for this little cluster, easily done on the sudo room wiki or
>>> Noisebridge wiki, or both.
>>>
>>> // Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Something that might be fruitful is creating a list of resources and
>>>> readings that are more easily digestible by geek men in particular, and of
>>>> course humans in general. I'm cc'ing Tom from Noisebridge, who's been
>>>> organizing a feminist book group for men at Noisebridge over the past couple
>>>> of months.
>>>>
>>>> -totally unaffiliated ally of this proposal :)
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>
>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>
>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>>> it."
>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>
>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> sorry, not "weekly" I don't know how frequently such a group should
>>>>> meet!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max, this is great:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Be radical sudo men. Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But let's also meet and talk, I think it will be fruitful. Please
>>>>>> share your availability on this calendar, and we'll start a little weekly
>>>>>> meeting group. I favor Mondays in case folks have similar interests:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I see it - or perhaps I am wanting to see it this way - this Men's
>>>>>>> group's purpose would be to combat mindlessly performing inculcated
>>>>>>> patriarchal motions. And in the process of de-conditioning yourself as a
>>>>>>> "man", becoming a convincing, subtle and non-naggy argument for other men to
>>>>>>> do the same. Slowly doing what we can do restore a gender equitable society,
>>>>>>> from our side (while knowing that we can't do it ourselves, that's the sort
>>>>>>> of thinking that got us here in the first place).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So a thousand yeses to all of the above. But how do we do it? In
>>>>>>> person meetings? Too self selecting. Online? Not visible enough. Making a
>>>>>>> charter? Toothless. Doing volunteer work? Pointless doting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's my suggestion, and I'm open to more. Be radical sudo men.
>>>>>>> Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy.
>>>>>>> notconfusing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Ryan Bethencourt
>>>>>>> <ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great idea and I'm in if we can keep the time commitment relatively
>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2014 9:12 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Positive responses at the weekly meeting. I started mulling it over
>>>>>>>>> more and would like to add:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm basically reaching out for help to men who would like to
>>>>>>>>> actively contribute to improving the performance of gender dynamics and to
>>>>>>>>> provide space for healing and support in sudo room. Please consider
>>>>>>>>> contributing, no experts required, just an open mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have any particular resources in mind at the moment, want
>>>>>>>>> to be a bit open-ended, see what makes sense, then do some research and
>>>>>>>>> document along the way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Max B <maxb.personal at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think its a great idea!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you mind linking to some resources that have explanations of
>>>>>>>>>> what you're thinking about more specifically? I think people may have very
>>>>>>>>>> different ideas of what a men's group might do. I can do some looking around
>>>>>>>>>> later if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On February 19, 2014 6:48:50 PM PST, Matthew Senate
>>>>>>>>>> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to reach out for some feedback. Seeking folks who would
>>>>>>>>>>> want to facilitate or participate in a men's group.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've previously participated in small groups like this and found
>>>>>>>>>>> them beneficial for various reasons. I would like to see if folks have had
>>>>>>>>>>> similar or different experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The way I'm thinking about this would culminate in something like
>>>>>>>>>>> a regular meeting for men in the sudo room community to discuss relevant
>>>>>>>>>>> issues including those of identity, oppression, privilege, patriarchy,
>>>>>>>>>>> gender, sexuality, stereotypes, safe space, and mutual support.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This may not be the best or even a viable path to approach these
>>>>>>>>>>> topics, but I wanted to throw it out there to see if there is any interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>
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