[sudo-discuss] hacker schools discussion

[Pete Forsyth]

In case anybody's still following this thread, the California Report radio
program had a good, in-depth story about it this morning:
http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201403180850/b

Pete


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com> wrote:

> A major part of going to a brand-name school (Harvard, MIT) is the
> networking and community that you join.
>
> Just like Startup Accelerators/Incubators (another potential shady
> scheme!) if your school doesn't actually put you in touch with the right
> people, it's going to be much harder to find the success one seeks.
>
> Anca.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>> I know the people that run HackBright - it's legit, and they do place
>> their students in very well paying jobs. They have extremely competent
>> instructors. They are very selective about choosing the right people....
>>
>>  but just as importantly, they market their students to Silicon Valley
>> Start-ups, and frequently take their students to networking dinners. that's
>> one of the key actions a hacker school must take, building relationships,
>> in order for their students to get good job offers.
>>
>>
>>    - Is a  government accreditation agency going to recognize that the
>>    networking component is crucial for such schools, justifying their costs?
>>    - Could a fly by night online education start-up make similar claims
>>    that their students get amazing salaries... but lack these crucial
>>    networking events?
>>
>>
>> Wow, googling "trade school fraud" opens up a whole can of worms:
>>
>>
>>    -
>>    http://wp.tradeschoolscams.com/gainful-employment-regs-its-up-to-the-states/
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> =============================
>>
>> Romy Ilano
>> romy at snowyla.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some of the "hacker schools" are awesome, 99% of the students love them,
>>> and some of them are basically scams. But they are all very expensive (eg
>>> HackBright gets nearly universal acclaim, but it's $15,000 for an 8 week
>>> class), and it's hard to tell which one is awesome and which one is a scam
>>> just by looking at their websites. So some sort of oversight / regulation
>>> is needed, but I'm not sure what the best way is. There's plenty of other
>>> vocational schools (all those ones that promise to get you a high paying
>>> job as a dental assistant or pharmacy technician or whatever) that are
>>> mostly scams and yet are unaffected by the current regulatory framework in
>>> place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a good Fast Company article, they highlight the people who paid
>>>> the money but didn't find jobs:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fastcompany.com/3023456/become-an-ios-developer-in-8-weeks-the-truth-about-hack-schools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - One example was pretty weird... there was a pregnant woman who
>>>>    enered dev bootcamp, and she couldn't compete with her 12 hours study days
>>>>    against others who were studying 16 hours a day. -- wow! what were they
>>>>    thinking? I think a hacker bootcamp would be a terrible idea for a pregnant
>>>>    woman / new parent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - One hacker school is in the Midwest, where there aren't that many
>>>>    mobile developer jobs and they were training people to be iOS Developers.
>>>>    Kind of weird.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love hacker schools, but they have to be extremely selective if they
>>>> advertise to people that graduating students are going to get $70K a year
>>>> jobs after only 10-15 weeks of study. The advertising of salaries is what
>>>> bothers me a lot...
>>>>
>>>> As we've been discussing, I see totally shady for-profit institutions
>>>> copying the hacker idea and fleecing unqualified students in the future. I
>>>> don't want the good hacker schools to get shut down :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =============================
>>>>
>>>> Romy Ilano
>>>> romy at snowyla.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  industrialization of education - obscuring the intrinsic value of
>>>>> knowledge and showing the way forward so that the technicians will know
>>>>> which direction to pull the carts
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
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