[sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the articles of association

[Marina Kukso]

thanks matt. i like both of the changed wordings that you've suggested. i'd
be happy with either version.

still wondering about the second issue - what "serious issues" might be and
what the criteria are that the group would vote people up or down on.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:

> Phil,
>
> I think nothing in this policy *prevents *tele-presence, in fact, I think
> it would be prudent for a prospective member to, at the very least, offer
> to attend the meeting virtually if they cannot be physically present.
> Either way, the only requirement is the prospective member submits
> something concrete, in writing (format unspecified, so digital text seems
> fine).
>
> Marina,
>
> I have no strong feelings about the exact phrasing, I think those
> questions were carried over from Jake's original(ish) proposal, maybe?
> Marc, do you know where those questions came from?
>
> I do like the idea of asking questions to get three kinds of responses:
> 1. A response about why they are interested, leaving the opportunity for
> setting some context to joining.
> 2. A response about what specifically they want to do (commonly folks have
> particular projects or uses in mind as they get involved with sudo)
> 2. A response about specifically how they see themselves contributing to
> the community, as giving some sort contribution *is* an expectation, but
> extremely open / liberal. I think "share" is a great term to express this.
>
> I have no reason to think we should hang on to the question about
> "hacking" in particular, maybe alternatives:
>
> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
> #** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to do at
> sudo room?
> #** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to share
> with the sudo room community?
>
> That being said, I'd also be happy with the truncated version:
>
> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
>
> // Matt
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> thanks and apologies that i haven't had a chance to be a part of this
>> discussion until now. i have a few questions:
>>
>> - re: "What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?" & "What are you
>> excited about sharing with sudo room?" i wonder what effect seeing these
>> questions on the application would have for someone who's really new to the
>> world of hacking and/or someone who might not identify as a hacker (ie,
>> someone who would consider themselves a "beginner" or "just learning" - as
>> many of our members, including myself, do). like if you're not sure what
>> you're interested on hacking...or if you're not sure what you have to share
>> with sudo room. is anyone else concerned that these questions might be
>> intimidating to newcomers? (i ask this genuinely). also, what happens if a
>> prospective member puts on their application "i don't know" or "i'm not
>> sure" for these questions? would that affect their application?
>>
>> this leads to my second question:
>>
>> Under "initial pondering" it says "#** The intent is for it to be very
>> easy for new members to join, so only very serious concerns should be
>> brought up." what would a "serious concern" be? also there isn't really any
>> indication like..what the yes/no on a person's membership request is based
>> on. does the content of what people put in their application matter?
>>
>> finally, what do folks think is gained by the hacking & sharing q's? do
>> you think that you wouldn't get enough information from "what is your
>> pseudonym/name" and "why do you want to be a member of sudo room?"
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> These are the proposed changes brought up at the current sudo room
>>> meeting. We will attempt to consense on this at the sudo room meeting on
>>> Wednesday the 21st of May at 7 pm in sudo room.
>>>
>>> ===Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership===
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> * Successfully completing the process for becoming a member, below:
>>>
>>> ====Section 2.1.0 Process for becoming a member====
>>>
>>> #'''Declaration of Intent to Join'''
>>> #* To become a member, a person must submit a brief written or spoken "Declaration
>>> of Intent to Join" where they answer the following questions:
>>> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
>>> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
>>> #** What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?
>>> #** What are you excited about sharing with sudo room?
>>> #'''Initial Pondering'''
>>> #* It is only possible to become a member at the weekly sudo room
>>> meeting. Prospective members should attend if possible but can submit a
>>> written declaration if they are not able to attend in person.
>>> #* At the sudo room weekly meeting, every prospective member must leave
>>> the room while the existing members have a chance to bring up any concerns
>>> or reasons why the prospective member(s) should not be allowed
>>> membership (referred to as the "Initial Pondering").
>>> #** The intent is for it to be very easy for new members to join, so
>>> only very serious concerns should be brought up.
>>> #** If any existing member objects to a prospective new member becoming
>>> a member, and this cannot be resolved through discussion, then the
>>> prospective member will not be allowed membership.
>>> #** Unreasonable or frequent blocking of new members by an existing
>>> member is grounds for immediate termination of membership based on a 2/3
>>> vote.
>>> #*  Upon completing the "Initial Pondering", such prospective members
>>> must be communicated to the sudo room mailing list within 24 hours,
>>> including their "Declaration of Intent to Join".
>>> #'''Extended Pondering'''
>>> #* After the Initial Pondering, if there are no objections, there will
>>> be one week for sudo room members to raise objections as to why the
>>> prospective member should not be allowed to join (referred to as the
>>> "Extended Pondering").
>>> #* If there are no objections raised during the "Extended Pondering", the
>>> prospective member will become a member.
>>> #** The intention is to provide sufficient time to ensure all concerns
>>> of those unable to attend the meeting may be heard.
>>> #* The new member will be added to the membership list and given access
>>> to desired and relevant assets and services of sudo room.
>>> #* No announcement of this change of status after the "Extended
>>> Pondering" is necessary.
>>>
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