[sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the articles of association

[Matthew Senate]

Ah, maybe even simpler:

#** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
#** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
#** If you know already, what are you excited to do at sudo room?
#** If you know already, what are you excited to share with the sudo room
community?



On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:

> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> thanks and apologies that i haven't had a chance to be a part of this
>> discussion until now. i have a few questions:
>>
>> - re: "What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?" & "What are you
>> excited about sharing with sudo room?" i wonder what effect seeing these
>> questions on the application would have for someone who's really new to the
>> world of hacking and/or someone who might not identify as a hacker (ie,
>> someone who would consider themselves a "beginner" or "just learning" - as
>> many of our members, including myself, do). like if you're not sure what
>> you're interested on hacking...or if you're not sure what you have to share
>> with sudo room. is anyone else concerned that these questions might be
>> intimidating to newcomers? (i ask this genuinely). also, what happens if a
>> prospective member puts on their application "i don't know" or "i'm not
>> sure" for these questions? would that affect their application?
>>
>
> That's a good point. Maybe we could provide examples of other people's
> answers and state that it's totally ok if you feel like you don't have a
> lot to share but that the idea is for people to show their intent to
> contribute to the community. We can also remove the list of questions from
> the articles of association and simply reference an "introduce yourself"
> form that we can keep on the wiki and improve as needed?
>
>
>> this leads to my second question:
>>
>> Under "initial pondering" it says "#** The intent is for it to be very
>> easy for new members to join, so only very serious concerns should be
>> brought up." what would a "serious concern" be? also there isn't really any
>> indication like..what the yes/no on a person's membership request is based
>> on. does the content of what people put in their application matter?
>>
>
> The idea is that we use our best judgment as a community and discuss as
> needed. We left out a definition of what serious concerns would be because
> anyone should be able to bring up any concerns that they feel are serious
> and then the community decides if they're serious enough based on available
> information. Basically we trust the community to make good decisions on a
> case by case basis.
>
>
>> finally, what do folks think is gained by the hacking & sharing q's? do
>> you think that you wouldn't get enough information from "what is your
>> pseudonym/name" and "why do you want to be a member of sudo room?"
>>
>
> I feel like it's important that people realize that they are expected to
> contribute to sudo room. That it's not just about what they want out of
> sudo room. I think we should make that explicit somehow. Maybe we can make
> it friendlier?
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> These are the proposed changes brought up at the current sudo room
>>> meeting. We will attempt to consense on this at the sudo room meeting on
>>> Wednesday the 21st of May at 7 pm in sudo room.
>>>
>>> ===Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership===
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> * Successfully completing the process for becoming a member, below:
>>>
>>> ====Section 2.1.0 Process for becoming a member====
>>>
>>> #'''Declaration of Intent to Join'''
>>> #* To become a member, a person must submit a brief written or spoken "Declaration
>>> of Intent to Join" where they answer the following questions:
>>> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
>>> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
>>> #** What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?
>>> #** What are you excited about sharing with sudo room?
>>> #'''Initial Pondering'''
>>> #* It is only possible to become a member at the weekly sudo room
>>> meeting. Prospective members should attend if possible but can submit a
>>> written declaration if they are not able to attend in person.
>>> #* At the sudo room weekly meeting, every prospective member must leave
>>> the room while the existing members have a chance to bring up any concerns
>>> or reasons why the prospective member(s) should not be allowed
>>> membership (referred to as the "Initial Pondering").
>>> #** The intent is for it to be very easy for new members to join, so
>>> only very serious concerns should be brought up.
>>> #** If any existing member objects to a prospective new member becoming
>>> a member, and this cannot be resolved through discussion, then the
>>> prospective member will not be allowed membership.
>>> #** Unreasonable or frequent blocking of new members by an existing
>>> member is grounds for immediate termination of membership based on a 2/3
>>> vote.
>>> #*  Upon completing the "Initial Pondering", such prospective members
>>> must be communicated to the sudo room mailing list within 24 hours,
>>> including their "Declaration of Intent to Join".
>>> #'''Extended Pondering'''
>>> #* After the Initial Pondering, if there are no objections, there will
>>> be one week for sudo room members to raise objections as to why the
>>> prospective member should not be allowed to join (referred to as the
>>> "Extended Pondering").
>>> #* If there are no objections raised during the "Extended Pondering", the
>>> prospective member will become a member.
>>> #** The intention is to provide sufficient time to ensure all concerns
>>> of those unable to attend the meeting may be heard.
>>> #* The new member will be added to the membership list and given access
>>> to desired and relevant assets and services of sudo room.
>>> #* No announcement of this change of status after the "Extended
>>> Pondering" is necessary.
>>>
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>>
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