[sudo-discuss] Dia de los Muertos fundraiser: is happening?

[max b]

Ok so maybe there's still a chance to keep this from turning into the
proper train-wreck that I'm sensing.

Perhaps you'd like to take a few minutes and re-think those questions and
consider whether or not they're particularly thoughtful and whether you'd
like to re-phrase them and/or retract them?

I think people on the list would be more than willing to consider that they
might have been sent in a moment of heat and that some small amount of
cooling off would let us actually allow this thread to turn into something
more productive....


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just didn't want to seem aggressive or like I'm trying to troll the list
> or criticize you in public.
>
> But since you do - can you explain a thing I always wonder about when I
> read authoritative statements about "My Culture" -
> What should I make of Hispanics that don't agree with you - Hispanics who
> do not care who celebrates their holidays, or Hispanics who don't feel
> particularly connected to their holidays? Which one of you speaks for all
> Hispanics?
>
> On Friday, October 24, 2014, Hep Svadja <hepkitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bringing this back to the list because, as per usual I do not enjoy being
>> contacted offlist and berated about my culture, or berated about white
>> people's entitlement to my culture.
>>
>> This is a problem.
>>
>> -hep
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm from the east coast, Philadelphia. Philadelphia is 45,45,10 black,
>>> white, Hispanic (mostly Puerto Rican) + Asian (Cambodian, Vietnamese,
>>> Filipino, Korean and Chinese). As you can maybe imagine, day of the dead is
>>> really not a thing in Philadlephia. When I lived there, I never went to a
>>> DD party, or even really had heard of it.
>>>
>>> Here, in the bay, the racial/ethnic distribution is way different. I
>>> never meet Puerto Ricans any more, and there are way fewer blacks. There
>>> are more Asians and Hispanics. Not only is the current Hispanic population
>>> here bigger, this area was settled by Spanish soldiers (unlike
>>> Philadelphia, settled by Dutch and English mostly. Also some Germans). The
>>> Spanish settler influence is all over - in names, in the types of old
>>> buildings. The white people I meet here are Way more likely to speak
>>> Spanish than the people I grew up with. the white people I meet here know
>>> more about Mexico and Central America than the ppl back east. The point is,
>>> California is a way more Hispanic part of the US overall than anywhere I
>>> lived before.
>>>
>>> Therefore, it is not surprising at all to see way more DD. Moreover, it
>>> doesn't seem strange to me that people who live near each other
>>> would celebrate the same holidays. The thing that makes many Hispanics
>>> celebrate day of the dead (seeing Hispanics celebrate day of the dead) also
>>> makes white people celebrate day of the dead.
>>> Put another way, is it weird to you how many atheists and non-Christians
>>> in America celebrate Christmas? Probably not - you can see that at on
>>> December 25th, Christmas is just the thing to do.
>>> When you see white people celebrating DD here, it's not because they
>>> want to steal your holiday, it's because your culture is pervasive here.
>>> Does that make sense?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 24, 2014, Hep Svadja <hepkitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi guys:
>>>>
>>>> a little bothered by the cultural appropriation of this event. as a Bay
>>>> Area Hispanic I find it quite strange when groups of mostly white people
>>>> with no ties to the actual culture of ddlm host events not in the actual
>>>> spirit of this extremely reverent Hispanic holiday. basically if you don't
>>>> build an ofrenda on your ancestors' graves every year i find it really
>>>> problematic to be jumping aboard this holiday as you are clearly not of
>>>> this culture. using it as an excuse for a dance party is even more
>>>> questionable as is encouraging people with no understanding of this
>>>> cultural holiday to dress up, which i understand is for the best of reasons
>>>> but also pretty exploitative of a culture you don't belong to.  what is
>>>> wrong with just making this a Halloween party and not contributing to the
>>>> ongoing exploitation of local Hispanic communities of color?
>>>>
>>>> -hep
>>>>
>>>> * edited this to be less of a jerk.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:54 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Lesley Bell <zvezdalune at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Hello!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The Omni needs funds.  Dia de los Muertos is a thing. We would like
>>>>> to
>>>>> > introduce new people to the space and expand our community.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have attached a flyer for a possible event, a funky
>>>>> transhumanist/Dia de
>>>>> > los Muertos themed costume ball.  Should this happen? Is there a
>>>>> reason
>>>>> > anyone would like to block?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, steampunk zombies! Mechanical corpses! Post-singularity
>>>>> glittery
>>>>> > things covered in LEDs! Ordinary awesome humans!
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks fun! Right now the way to book events is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) check the calendar for conflicts:
>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Calendar
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) submit this form: bit.ly/omniballroom
>>>>>
>>>>> Full explanation and future changes to the process will go here:
>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/How_to_book_events
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