[sudo-discuss] Fwd: Subject: Re: Dia de los Muertos fundraiser: is happening?

[Jenny Ryan]

Hi Hep,

Please stop trolling our list with incendiary assumptions about the race of
those with whom you're engaging. This is an official warning from a list
moderator.

Thanks,
Jenny

On Friday, October 31, 2014, Hep Svadja <hepkitten at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Yet another white person (assuming) steps forth to tell me how to display
> and refer to my own culture.
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> Massively awkward when white people try and educate hispanic and/or latino
> people on how to self-identify. Ironically I use hispanic and latino
> because most white people don't understand what chicano means. Also as
> someone who is 1/4 Jicarilla Apache, I also do not need a lesson on First
> Nations identification either.
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> -Hep
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> Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM
> Subject: Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Dia de los Muertos fundraiser: is
> happening?
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> The time you put into these emails are your own choice. The sudolist is
> much larger than sudo's membership. I'm not sure who either of you are. I
> don't see you at sudo. I don't sympathize with your or Sonya's perspectives
> but you are probably both well interventioned. Sniping on burner's cultural
> appropriate of indigenous culture is bit too easy and those types of
> discussions are best had in person if your intent is not malicious. People
> get defensive and close off if they think they are being called out as
> racist.
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> If your intent is to be politically correct in your speech don't use the
> terms hispanic or latino, especially when talking to strangers. In the
> liberal lexicon they are vague racial-cultural. Just say spanish speaking,
> if that's what you mean and won't confuse people further. People are
> confused on their own.
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> The terms latino and hispanic are used to erase peoples indigenous
> identity. I think that sort language and the obfuscating conception of race
> are much more damaging than white people painting skeletons on their face
> or making altars. Call first nation peoples by their actual names. Don't
> lump them all together. It's a habit that americans should stop, especially
> if they regard themselves as some sort of radical.
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> The holiday is a derivative of the Nahua holiday. Speaking spanish doesn't
> give one special dibs on venerating their dead. In Mexico it's been
> appropriated by mexicans broadly, by non-Nahuatl speaking indigenous
> peoples, mesitizos and white mexicans. In mexico it's a constructed
> national holiday (like american halloween) with a multitude of local
> variations. You don't get this sort of exclusionary discourse about who can
> participate in the holiday in Mexico but you do see criticism of Halloween
> elements being included in dia de los muertos. In the post-revolution era
> there was a campaign to invent a national identity in a huge and extremely
> diverse territory. The sugar skulls used in dias in other part of Abya Yala
> are post-colonial. Sugar aint from here:)
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> There are other related versions of the holiday not related to the Nahuah,
> Guede, Finados. All souls day is a european christian holiday which is
> part of many the of the modern syncretic versions of the holiday. Most
> traditional cultures on all continents have a similar holiday around this
> time year.
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> What does it mean to establish consent with another culture, consent to
> participate in ceremony? There real tensions in between the ideas of the
> free culture movement and left wing attempts at non-colonial intercultural
> relations y understanding.
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> Anywhoo the only event happening at the omni is a Haitian dance
> performance. There was no proposal for the event at a sudo or omni meeting.
> It's not worth spending that much time writing emails.
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> Saludos,
> Patrick
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