[sudo-discuss] Can someone please donate Cat6 Shielded cable?

Sat Aug 29 21:23:56 PDT 2015

Okay folks, an update:

We got two cable boxes.
* One of Cat6 STP 1000' box,
* and a second one of Cat5e UTP (I don't know much cable in it, I didn't
check).

Charley not only donated but helped me to run the cable.
Yes, we ran the CAT6 STP from the server area to demarcation point (located
in the "Rise Above" room), Omni back door.

The cable still needs to be terminated. We were tired at that point,
besides that was a little bit dark already.

We should continue next weekend, most likely.

Thanks,

Daniel
p.s. was fun working w you Charley, thanks for helping us; very appreciated.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:44 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <danarauz at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Andrew,
>
> I am wondering if you had the chance to bring the boxes of cable?
>
> I came in to Sudo during the week and now again (today Saturday), but I
> don't see any boxes here; at least if they are stored in some secret room.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:54 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <danarauz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Andrew, that is awesome, many thanks!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Andrew Lowe <andrew at lostways.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have boxes of cat 6 cables to donate, and cat5e. I'll try to stop by
>>> tomorrow during the day to drop them off.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:38 AM, max b <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Charley,
>>>>
>>>> You're more than welcome to donate money (or time) if that's more up
>>>> your alley. Also, if you want to donate UTP cat6, we'll take that as well.
>>>> We use a bunch of ethernet cable both at the omni and for other
>>>> installations, so we can always use more. If you're feeling really
>>>> generous, we can really use shielded outdoor cat5 and cat6 for installing
>>>> antennas. Don't worry - no matter what kind of ethernet cabling you feel
>>>> like donating, we can almost certainly find a use for it :)
>>>>
>>>> As for the questions you've outlined:
>>>>
>>>> First thing: shielded cable
>>>>
>>>> This isn't actually an ethernet run. It's dsl lines + phone lines
>>>> running over cat copper wires. As such, it's my understanding that it's
>>>> more sensitive to EMI disturbance. Additionally, it's much better to err on
>>>> the safe side as we'll only want to string this once and the entire network
>>>> communications infrastructure depends on the dsl signal that passes through
>>>> this line. As for needing shielded mating jacks, we have plenty of grounded
>>>> rj-45 connectors and with whatever other scenarios, it's pretty easy to
>>>> ensure that they're grounded. We're not talking about our entire network
>>>> infrastructure, we're just talking about this one cable run.
>>>>
>>>> Second thing: hand termination
>>>>
>>>> We're using an EZ RJ-45 crimper, which makes the process fairly
>>>> straightforward. We have spools of other types of ethernet cables and have
>>>> done runs throughout the building. Also - we'll be breaking out these pairs
>>>> anyhow, so most of this is fairly non standard types of termination which
>>>> are much easier than rj-45 disconnects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel, let us know if I missed anything here?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Charley Sheets <rcsheets at acm.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in helping out, but I have to admit I'm fairly
>>>>> skeptical of two elements of this request, so I'd like to get some
>>>>> clarification if possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing: shielded cable. My understanding is that most of the noise
>>>>> rejection comes from the twists, not the shielding, and that shielded
>>>>> cable is only useful in high-EMI environments. Am I mistaken about the
>>>>> application, or are we perhaps in a high-EMI environment? The standard
>>>>> example of high EMI is something like a factory floor. Shielding also
>>>>> only works as intended if the mating connectors (jacks and whatnot) are
>>>>> also shielded. Does that apply here? My inclination is to donate
>>>>> standard (UTP) cat6 cable. Please help me understand why I should
>>>>> donate shielded cable instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is some information (could be biased -- it's from a cable
>>>>> supplier) about the differences as they apply to cat6a:
>>>>> http://mirapath.com/blog/item/cat6a-shielded-or-unshielded
>>>>>
>>>>> Second thing: hand termination. You've stated a preference for a box of
>>>>> several hundred feet of cable. To me that implies that you'd prefer to
>>>>> hand terminate the cable rather than having pre-terminated cables. I
>>>>> certainly won't make any claims about your personal ability to
>>>>> terminate cables, but most people are not especially skilled at this,
>>>>> and many hand terminated cables I've seen in the field are visibly not
>>>>> well made. I've terminated cat5 and cat5e cable, and it's always been
>>>>> very fiddly and challenging for me to minimize the untwisted distance,
>>>>> and to ensure there are no open pins. Pre-terminated cable is
>>>>> available with strain relief boots and is often certified to be
>>>>> complaint with the relevant cabling standard. What do you see as the
>>>>> advantage of spools of cable? Why not buy pre-terminated cable?
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this doesn't come across as overly critical. Sorry if it does. I
>>>>> really just want to make sure we get exactly what we need.
>>>>> --
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