[sudo-discuss] Electrical work currently being done for La Commune (affecting panel for Kitchen / Upstairs_

Sun Feb 1 21:24:56 PST 2015

Oh sure, I wasn't referring to the original, but to all the detailed
follow-up (everything after my response to Cere) most people have no reason
to care about.  The building list it is!

-- Steve

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi steve,
>
> Mom I don't think my original post was spammy, because if only for
> safety's sake everyone should know about currently ongoing changes to
> building infrastructure, but you're quite right that this thread about how
> well circuit tracers work etc should be moved to the building list
> (included above). Let's take it there..
>
>
> On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So they won't show positive if they're switched off?  If so, that makes
>> it easy.  Anyway, it does sound like this will be a help, although maybe
>> not for identifying the join between the den and kitchen if that was done
>> remotely from the breaker box.
>>
>> David, this stuff seems spammy for this list (too many posts and people
>> tend to just stop reading them) and in any event it doesn't seem to have
>> been a normal place for building construction details.  I joined the
>> "building" list you pointed me too, but looking at the archives it doesn't
>> seem to actually be in use for this sort of thing.  Matt said he had very
>> recently started a "tasks" list for the purpose, but I don't find that on
>> the list of lists.
>>
>> Clarity?  TIA.
>>
>> -- Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, in other words, you will go up to the panel with the inductive
>>> amplifier and note that for example three adjacent breakers will seem
>>> positive for the signal. It will be one of those three...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, you definitely have to double-check, of course. Easy enough to do:
>>>> if you think you've identified the right breaker, just switch it off and
>>>> the light on the transmitter will go off, and the signal on the line will
>>>> disappear (or not)...
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:35 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all your work, Steve!
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI the off the shelf circuit tracers dont really work. You need a
>>>>> really expensive pro one. Saying this from experience in Omni, cause I
>>>>> bought one too. Basically what happens is the trace leaks into other
>>>>> circuits a lot and you get misreadings, so don't put a lot of faith in them
>>>>> - you'll have to physically test'em to be sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Patrik, that should come in handy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
>>>>>> patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, we do have a circuit tracer in CCL, in case anyone needs
>>>>>>> one. You plug a little gizmo into a live outlet, or clip it onto a set of
>>>>>>> live wires, and it send a small audio signal up through the wire that you
>>>>>>> can detect at the breaker panel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's in the drawer labeled "tools" in one of the lab benches. The
>>>>>>> orange gadget is the sensor. the small wall wart device is the transmitter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for posting this, David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cover is on and the tripping problem should now be at least reduced
>>>>>>>> since I was able to split the circuit such that the kitchen and den are on
>>>>>>>> one breaker (now #7) and the hallways on another (#8).  In addition, the LC
>>>>>>>> extension cord (to which the overhead light strings are attached) has been
>>>>>>>> removed from that same circuit and put on #6, which is powering a temporary
>>>>>>>> receptacle in LC that we're also using for our power tools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All nine of the other breakers are turned off since they're no
>>>>>>>> longer doing anything, although I'm unwiring them only after confirming
>>>>>>>> what they're actually attached to.  Most of these were to now-defunct
>>>>>>>> lighting and power circuits in the bar area.  Next week several will be
>>>>>>>> repurposed for new receptacle circuits in LC to be installed along the
>>>>>>>> newly-sheetrocked walls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The note taped to the front of the panel now reflects this new
>>>>>>>> condition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of these circuits are going to be hard to trace and if so will
>>>>>>>> be left in place for the time being with the breaker off, so if anyone
>>>>>>>> notices a loss of power to anything that was working as of last week,
>>>>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If possible, I'll get the den onto a separate circuit from the
>>>>>>>> kitchen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:25 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The tireless volunteers Steve Bloom ( stevebloom55 at gmail.com )
>>>>>>>>> and I believe Rayc ( what is is email - anyone know? )  are in the midst of
>>>>>>>>> decommissioning electrical runs from to La Commune, from the panel in Rise
>>>>>>>>> Above that also feeds the oft-tripping breaker to the upstairs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All, before touching this panel, please attempt to communicate
>>>>>>>>> first with Steve or Rayc regarding whether it safe to do. Specifically,
>>>>>>>>> all, NEVER reach your hand inside a panel that does not have a cover plate
>>>>>>>>> on (covering the electrical wires and connections), even if it is only to
>>>>>>>>> flip a breaker. Instead, at a minimum, put the cover plate back on first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This panel includes the oft-tripping breaker for the Kitchen and
>>>>>>>>> TIL etc offices - #8, so please pay heed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve showed me that he decommissioned breakers # 7 & 11.
>>>>>>>>> Breakers 3&4 were I believe decomissioned by an electrician hired
>>>>>>>>> by Rise Above.
>>>>>>>>> #8 is the one that always trips and needs to be worked on /
>>>>>>>>> rewired to prevent this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please see the photo below for reference.. thanks!
>>>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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