[sudo-discuss] lighting options

Thu Feb 19 09:58:59 PST 2015

Hi,

I'm not really in this discussion but I thought I should chime in. There
was some discussion on lighting earlier and creating an atmosphere.

The other day I brought to Sudo Room a fully functional "EZ up" that has no
fabric canopy.  I thought if it was set up over the work tables that it
could be used as a structure for which to attach lights (temporarily) to
test out some ideas.

One person thought that it was an interesting idea - another person said it
would take up too much room.  I responded by saying that it would only take
up 4 square inches since that is the foot print of each 1 in leg -
otherwise it is a square grid in the air.

Light can be clamped onto the grid or mounted by screws.  If using the
frame is not desirable then the metal can be hacked, used for the robot or
scrapped.  It could even be used at the maker faire.

Alice

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is something missing this the specs of that lighting.  It is not
> warm at all.  I don't think it's fair (or appreciated) to oversimplify the
> need for warm lighting as "mood" lighting.  The "color" of the lighting has
> nothing to do with light intensity values and it's easy to spot when you
> see it.  The eyes are much more sensitive than instruments when it comes to
> these supposed specifications of "warmth".
>
> If you go to a lighting store you can just see what they look like and buy
> accordingly.  Maybe Ikea or Home Depot have a light viewing section so we
> can just see for ourselves.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The one in the lab room is 4000K, with a Color Rendering Index of 82.
>> That is "warmer" than fluorescents (and zero flicker!), and much warmer
>> than a daylight bulb. Good for doing detailed work - which is exactly what
>> we need there - and acceptable for working with colors.
>>
>> If we want mood lighting, we should get mood lighting. If we want lights
>> to do soldering or other precision work, 4000K is great. Heck get both, so
>> people can pick and choose what they need at any time. Plus a few >5000K,
>> >90CRI daylight bulbs for people doing artwork.
>>
>> Patrik
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As another point of reference for the lights that Patrik got for the lab
>>> room.  They are ugly cold sanitarium colored lights.  Please lets NOT get
>>> more of those!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As another point of comparison, the LED light fixture I put in the CCL
>>>> lab room is this one:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-ft-x-4-ft-White-LED-Prismatic-Lens-Troffer-2GTL4/203820958?N=5yc1vZc7buZ1z115g2
>>>>
>>>> It's a 4000 Lumens, 45 Watt fixture made to resemble a fluorescent tube
>>>> one. Internally, it has four 36-LED strips behind a nice diffuser, and a
>>>> big-ass 30VDC/1.58A LED driver. (In comparison, that first bulb Jake posted
>>>> is 800 Lumen, so this one is equivalent in light output to about five of
>>>> those)
>>>>
>>>> These sell for $119 at Home Depot, which is of course far too much.
>>>> Should be easy to reverse engineer these for far less, but I'm not sure how
>>>> well that would go over with our fire inspection, even if some of the
>>>> chinese knockoffs may very well pose more of fire hazard...
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> so i guess sudoroom (and CCL too probably) need some new lights, since
>>>>> the flourescents are failing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Home Despot sells 11-watt "warm white" bulbs for $9 each, which would
>>>>> be a good idea if we had regular lamp sockets to screw bulbs into...
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-
>>>>> 5000K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-with-4Flow-Filament-
>>>>> Design-BA19-08050OMF-12DE26-3U100/205597079?N=5yc1vZbm79
>>>>>
>>>>> but china can always do better.  I looked on Ali Express and sorted by
>>>>> customer satisfaction, looking for LED lighting in "downlights" which
>>>>> suggests lamps shining downward?
>>>>>
>>>>> these look good but the seller rating is only 97.4%:
>>>>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Aluminum-9W-
>>>>> 15W-21W-27W-45W-LED-Downlight-Ceiling-lights-lamp-AC85-265V-
>>>>> With/2027740342.html
>>>>>
>>>>> they seem to be "16 to 21" watts for $6.95 including shipping.  They
>>>>> offer "warm" and "cold" flavors so we could just get a mix of the two
>>>>> kinds, for something in the middle when they're all on.
>>>>>
>>>>> here is the search i was doing:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.aliexpress.com/category/200002289/led-
>>>>> downlights.html?site=glo&isrefine=y&shipCountry=US&
>>>>> SortType=total_weight_score_desc
>>>>>
>>>>> this one is also a good price, and the seller rating is higher (98.1%)
>>>>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/21W-Antifogging-Epistar-
>>>>> led-downlight-AC85-265V-Contains-the-drive-power-free-
>>>>> shipping/2047334906.html
>>>>>
>>>>> ultimately i have higher confidence in the quality of something we buy
>>>>> from Cree at Home Despot, but I think we should give China a chance and buy
>>>>> a few of the "16 to 21 watt" ones and see how they compare.
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, Cree (a reputable company) and other LED bulbs sold at
>>>>> Home Despot are called "60 watt replacement" bulbs while actually using 9
>>>>> to 11 watts.  The light fixtures presently in Sudoroom and CCL each have
>>>>> two 75-watt flourescent bulbs, for a total of 900 watts of light in the
>>>>> bocce ball room when they're all working.
>>>>>
>>>>> That suggests that 150 watts of LED lighting would be equivalent,
>>>>> which would cost about $60 from the first aliexpress link i provided.
>>>>>
>>>>> These lights just have wires coming out, so we would perhaps attach
>>>>> them onto the metal structures that are presently holding flourescent
>>>>> lights for simplicity, until we come up with something better.
>>>>>
>>>>> -jake
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