[sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery solved
robb
sf99er at gmail.com
Sun Apr 10 08:21:02 PDT 2016
for you, jake
for me, it's just begun
~r
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> 1. Re: Robogames (Patrik D'haeseleer)
> 2. Re: oscilloscope, power supply, signal generator "donation" (Jake)
> 3. Re: oscilloscope, power supply, signal generator "donation"
> (Anthony Di Franco)
> 4. Re: oscilloscope, power supply, signal generator "donation" (Zach)
> 5. Re: Robogames (Cere Misc)
> 6. dell server racks? (robb)
> 7. Re: dell server racks? (Jake)
> 8. Re: dell server racks? (robb)
> 9. Re: dell server racks? (Morgan Allen)
> 10. Schedule change and update from last meeting/hacknight and
> (Marc Juul)
> 11. Re: dell server racks? (danarauz at gmail.com)
> 12. Re: dell server racks? (Marc Juul)
> 13. vending machine homing switch mystery solved (Jake)
> 14. Re: vending machine homing switch mystery solved (Mitch Altman)
> 15. Re: Schedule change and update from last meeting/hacknight
> and (Jenny Ryan)
> 16. Re: vending machine homing switch mystery solved (Jake)
> 17. Re: vending machine homing switch mystery solved (Mitch Altman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 00:19:17 -0700
> From: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
> To: Tracy Jacobs <kinetical at comcast.net>
> Cc: Sudo room <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Robogames
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> Yeah, both days are fun. You sometimes get some of the more spectacular
> displays of destruction on Saturday. And by Sunday, many of the bots have
> some amount of damage accumulated, or might be more focused on making it
> into the finals than on putting up a show.
>
> Either way, really entertaining both days. And some top-notch driving and
> engineering skills on display.
>
> Patrik
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical at comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> > Either one, it’s always good. You should go if you haven’t been! Tracy
> > On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:47 PM, Adam <adam at aperture.systems> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure what day is the best one to go. If it's structured like
> > > FRC matches, day 1 may not be too spectacular.
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> > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical at comcast.net>
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> > >> Is it in Livermore this year?
> > >> I’d recommend it, I have been many times, normally as a participant.
> > They have a robotic art section of the competition too!
> > >>
> > >> Tracy
> > >> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Adam <adam at aperture.systems> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Is this weekend in livermore.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm considering going. Tickets are $30/day, but it may be worth it to
> > >>> see robots get smashed and go through varied challenges.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:24:43 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at gmail.com>
> Cc: Zach T <organic_unity at yahoo.com>, sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org,
> jacobmowbray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] oscilloscope, power supply, signal
> generator "donation"
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> Thanks Anthony!
>
> Why not the oscilloscope? Not enough room? Perhaps Jacob can pick it up,
> I think he was going to pick it all up himself originally.
>
> That oscilloscope apparently has some 16-line digital analyzer built in,
> could be really awesome.
>
> -jake
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
>
> > I got everything except the oscilloscope,[IMAGE]
> >
> > It's on the back bench.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016, 13:53 Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> > Zach wants to donate these nice pieces of test equipment to
> sudoroom:
> >
> > http://imgur.com/wZuPmi2
> > http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
> > http://imgur.com/oQQsfgc
> >
> > and Jacob M. has volunteered to go pick them up (although he
> doesn't have
> > a car and they're in SF)
> >
> > Does anyone with a car want to go to SF to pick them up?
> >
> > but Zach wants to know that he can get them back whenever he wants.
> >
> > Zach, Sudoroom can't guarantee the safety of your equipment that
> is left
> > there. But I can say that my LeCroy 9150 and Sorensen DCR-2025B
> and lots
> > of other good stuff are there and i'm not worried about them, and
> you
> > shouldn't worry either. If you ever need to come get these things
> back
> > you can do so. We appreciate you letting us use them in the
> meantime.
> >
> > -jake
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:43:11 +0000
> From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at gmail.com>
> To: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> Cc: Zach T <organic_unity at yahoo.com>, sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org,
> jacobmowbray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] oscilloscope, power supply, signal
> generator "donation"
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> Indeed, no room this time. I could maybe grab it tonight if Jacob doesn't,
> but despite my XXL milk crates there are still size / fragility concerns.
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016, 12:24 Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Anthony!
> >
> > Why not the oscilloscope? Not enough room? Perhaps Jacob can pick it
> up,
> > I think he was going to pick it all up himself originally.
> >
> > That oscilloscope apparently has some 16-line digital analyzer built in,
> > could be really awesome.
> >
> > -jake
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
> >
> > > I got everything except the oscilloscope,[IMAGE]
> > >
> > > It's on the back bench.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016, 13:53 Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> > > Zach wants to donate these nice pieces of test equipment to
> > sudoroom:
> > >
> > > http://imgur.com/wZuPmi2
> > > http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
> > > http://imgur.com/oQQsfgc
> > >
> > > and Jacob M. has volunteered to go pick them up (although he
> > doesn't have
> > > a car and they're in SF)
> > >
> > > Does anyone with a car want to go to SF to pick them up?
> > >
> > > but Zach wants to know that he can get them back whenever he
> wants.
> > >
> > > Zach, Sudoroom can't guarantee the safety of your equipment that
> > is left
> > > there. But I can say that my LeCroy 9150 and Sorensen DCR-2025B
> > and lots
> > > of other good stuff are there and i'm not worried about them, and
> > you
> > > shouldn't worry either. If you ever need to come get these
> things
> > back
> > > you can do so. We appreciate you letting us use them in the
> > meantime.
> > >
> > > -jake
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:44:43 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Zach <organic_unity at yahoo.com>
> To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at gmail.com>, Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> Cc: Zach T <organic_unity at yahoo.com>, sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org,
> jacobmowbray at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] oscilloscope, power supply, signal
> generator "donation"
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> Im going to hold on to the scope for now. Have fun with the bench supply
> and other gear.
> -Zach
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 4/8/16, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] oscilloscope, power supply, signal generator
> "donation"
> To: "Anthony Di Franco" <di.franco at gmail.com>
> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org, "Zach T" <organic_unity at yahoo.com>,
> jacobmowbray at gmail.com
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2016, 12:24 PM
>
> Thanks Anthony!
>
> Why not the oscilloscope?
> Not enough room? Perhaps Jacob can pick it up,
> I think he was going to pick it all up himself
> originally.
>
> That
> oscilloscope apparently has some 16-line digital analyzer
> built in,
> could be really awesome.
>
> -jake
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
>
> > I got everything except
> the oscilloscope,[IMAGE]
> >
> >
> It's on the back bench.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016, 13:53 Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> wrote:
> > Zach wants to
> donate these nice pieces of test equipment to sudoroom:
> >
> > http://imgur.com/wZuPmi2
> > http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
> > http://imgur.com/oQQsfgc
> >
> >
> and Jacob M. has volunteered to go pick them
> up (although he doesn't have
> >
> a car and they're in SF)
> >
> >
> Does anyone with a car want to go to SF to
> pick them up?
> >
> >
> but Zach wants to know that he can get them
> back whenever he wants.
> >
> > Zach, Sudoroom
> can't guarantee the safety of your equipment that is
> left
> > there. But I
> can say that my LeCroy 9150 and Sorensen DCR-2025B and
> lots
> > of other good
> stuff are there and i'm not worried about them, and
> you
> > shouldn't
> worry either. If you ever need to come get these things
> back
> > you can do
> so. We appreciate you letting us use them in the
> meantime.
> >
> >
> -jake
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:31:16 -0700
> From: Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com>
> To: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sudo room <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Robogames
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> The stupid in me is really tempted to go to this given that it's actually
> possible to get there via mass transit.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's at the Pleasanton fairgrounds this year. Always tons of fun, if you
> > enjoy watching heavy machines beat the crap out of each other :-)
> >
> > Patrik
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Is it in Livermore this year?
> >> I’d recommend it, I have been many times, normally as a participant.
> >> They have a robotic art section of the competition too!
> >>
> >> Tracy
> >> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Adam <adam at aperture.systems> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Is this weekend in livermore.
> >> >
> >> > I'm considering going. Tickets are $30/day, but it may be worth it to
> >> > see robots get smashed and go through varied challenges.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone else?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:23:17 -0700
> From: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> To: Sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] dell server racks?
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> guy came to sudo asking if we want any dell server racks.
> he. claims they are nicer than the ones we have.
> he has 10
> cheers
> ~r
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:31:09 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> To: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
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> nooooooo
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, robb wrote:
>
> > guy came to sudo asking if we want any dell server racks.
> > he. claims they are nicer than the ones we have.
> > he has 10
> > cheers
> > ~r
> >
> >
>
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:41:46 -0700
> From: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> To: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> Cc: Sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] dell server racks?
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> thx for the speedy response, jake!
> how many do we want?
> ;)
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>
> > nooooooo
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, robb wrote:
> >
> > guy came to sudo asking if we want any dell server racks.
> >> he. claims they are nicer than the ones we have.
> >> he has 10
> >> cheers
> >> ~r
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:48:31 -0700
> From: Morgan Allen <morganrallen at gmail.com>
> To: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
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> Free after labor.
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:41 PM, robb <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > thx for the speedy response, jake!
> > how many do we want?
> > ;)
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >
> >> nooooooo
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, robb wrote:
> >>
> >> guy came to sudo asking if we want any dell server racks.
> >>> he. claims they are nicer than the ones we have.
> >>> he has 10
> >>> cheers
> >>> ~r
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:26:14 -0700
> From: Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Schedule change and update from last
> meeting/hacknight and
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> Unless someone complains I'm dropping the Thursday evening events for now.
>
> That means that we have one weekly meeting only: Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
>
> Last meeting I was planning to prototype a 12v power cable. A couple of new
> meshers showed up though. I'm sure these won't be people who show up once
> and then never again since one is already an active sudo'er and the other
> is a ccl'er. I ended up intro-ing them to the mesh. One of them should be
> able to tie intro existing mesh connections in west oakland but needed
> approval from housemates, the other person has a view of lake merritt and
> he took a home node and picostation extender back with him :)
>
> Next Tuesday I want to try to solder those cables and we need to design a
> sticker that annotates what each port on the home node is used for so we
> don't have to manually make little notes/stickers every time.
>
> --
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:40:22 -0700
> From: "danarauz at gmail.com" <danarauz at gmail.com>
> To: Morgan Allen <morganrallen at gmail.com>
> Cc: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>, Sudo-discuss
> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] dell server racks?
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> Last time I checked the servers that were donated to sudo were low end
> servers and also had not rails. Then from a difference source, we got some
> rails to try out, but not sure how much luck are we going to have. -----So,
> perhaps wouldn't hurt to ask model is he wanting to donate.
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Morgan Allen <morganrallen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Free after labor.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:41 PM, robb <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> thx for the speedy response, jake!
> >> how many do we want?
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> nooooooo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, robb wrote:
> >>>
> >>> guy came to sudo asking if we want any dell server racks.
> >>>> he. claims they are nicer than the ones we have.
> >>>> he has 10
> >>>> cheers
> >>>> ~r
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:59:31 -0700
> From: Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk>
> To: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] dell server racks?
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> On Friday, April 8, 2016, robb <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > thx for the speedy response, jake!
> > how many do we want?
> >
>
> exactly 0
>
>
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jake at spaz.org');>> wrote:
> >
> >> nooooooo
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, robb wrote:
> >>
> >> guy came to sudo asking if we want any dell server racks.
> >>> he. claims they are nicer than the ones we have.
> >>> he has 10
> >>> cheers
> >>> ~r
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:42:06 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org, Adam Munich
> <adam at aperture.systems>, Zach T <organic_unity at yahoo.com>,
> emmaselephants33 at gmail.com, echoudhry at gmail.com
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery solved
> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1604091631030.91568 at pe710.spaz.org>
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> so i've been working on the black sudoroom vending machine (vending1):
>
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/hack-o-mat
>
> which had previously been hacked by students at UC Berkeley (i think)
>
> I believe it's a Snacktron like Emma and Ed's machine.
> (unlike our brown vending machine which is a snackshop II)
> pictures of their machine can be seen here:
> http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/
>
> they had ripped out the original control unit, and wired it up with a
> bunch of reed relays and an arduino. The motors of the vending machine
> are wired as a grid of rows and columns, so the controller needs to be
> able to enable a single row and column in order to power one product
> motor.
>
> But it also needs to be able to detect when the product motor has rotated
> a full turn, and is back at the "home" position where it needs to stop.
> There's a "home" sensor on the back of the motor, but the way it's wired
> was a mystery for a while. Here's some pictures of the homing circuit:
>
> http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015211.jpg
> http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015700.jpg
>
> as you can see, the only difference between the button being pressed or
> not pressed, is that the 420nF capacitor is in parallel with the motor or
> not. Since the whole thing is in series with a diode (to protect against
> trying to turn a motor backwards) we were stumped as to how to detect
> whether a motor was homed or not.
>
> Thanks to Zach who donated some test equipment including this awesome
> signal generator (along with a nice power supply and bench multimeter):
> http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
>
> I was able to connect an AC waveform in series with a 12VDC supply to one
> of the motors, and figure out how to detect whether the home switch is
> closed or not. Basically, you make a 31KHz (or similar frequency)
> squarewave in series with the power supply, and watch the current through
> the motor. If the button is open and the capacitor is not in-circuit, the
> motor's inductance absorbs the AC and the current draw is relatively
> smooth. But when the motor arrives at the home position (when you need to
> stop delivering product!) the capacitor gets switched in, and now you'll
> see a lot of the AC on the current path of the system.
>
> Here is a video showing the voltage across a 22-ohm series resistor while
> the motor is rotating with 12VDC:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHIGDw5HRCg
>
> apparently it takes that motor about 11 seconds to dispense a product and
> finish returning to home position, assuming the product weighs nothing.
>
> by the way, you'll notice that i'm using the old analog oscilloscope.
> Unfortunately the LeCroy 9510 has started crashing, basically
> bluescreening. It probably needs to be opened up and cleaned, as it got
> wet after a fire before it was donated to sudoroom.
>
> Or maybe someone wants to donate a nicer oscilloscope to sudoroom?
>
> anyway, now I know how to detect the motor homing signal, and I just need
> to wire up this machine to its arduino to detect the signal and dispense
> product more accurately. If anyone wants to help, please let me know.
>
> by the way, if you are wondering how the UC students detected when the
> motors were finished dispensing product, the answer is absurd:
>
> they put a laser beam across the path where product would fall when
> dispensed, and they watched for the laser beam to be interrupted.
>
> did it work? I don't know. probably the semester ended and they got
> their grade and moved on, and then they donated the vending machine to us.
>
> -jake
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 16:34:40 -0700
> From: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> To: Jake Spaz <jake at spaz.org>, Sudo-Discuss
> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>, Adam Munich
> <adam at aperture.systems>, "Zach ." <organic_unity at yahoo.com>,
> "emmaselephants33 at gmail.com" <emmaselephants33 at gmail.com>,
> "echoudhry at gmail.com" <echoudhry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery
> solved
> Message-ID: <BAY172-W1432581CBAC41C0D0BF22EB8920 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> That is a bizarre way of detecting "home". Since there's a switch,
> wouldn't it be easier to just connect the switch directly to the Arduino to
> detect "home"?
>
>
> -----------------
> > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:42:06 -0500
> > From: jake at spaz.org
> > To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org; adam at aperture.systems;
> organic_unity at yahoo.com; emmaselephants33 at gmail.com; echoudhry at gmail.com
> > Subject: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery solved
> >
> > so i've been working on the black sudoroom vending machine (vending1):
> >
> > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/hack-o-mat
> >
> > which had previously been hacked by students at UC Berkeley (i think)
> >
> > I believe it's a Snacktron like Emma and Ed's machine.
> > (unlike our brown vending machine which is a snackshop II)
> > pictures of their machine can be seen here:
> > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/
> >
> > they had ripped out the original control unit, and wired it up with a
> > bunch of reed relays and an arduino. The motors of the vending machine
> > are wired as a grid of rows and columns, so the controller needs to be
> > able to enable a single row and column in order to power one product
> > motor.
> >
> > But it also needs to be able to detect when the product motor has rotated
> > a full turn, and is back at the "home" position where it needs to stop.
> > There's a "home" sensor on the back of the motor, but the way it's wired
> > was a mystery for a while. Here's some pictures of the homing circuit:
> >
> > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015211.jpg
> > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015700.jpg
> >
> > as you can see, the only difference between the button being pressed or
> > not pressed, is that the 420nF capacitor is in parallel with the motor or
> > not. Since the whole thing is in series with a diode (to protect against
> > trying to turn a motor backwards) we were stumped as to how to detect
> > whether a motor was homed or not.
> >
> > Thanks to Zach who donated some test equipment including this awesome
> > signal generator (along with a nice power supply and bench multimeter):
> > http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
> >
> > I was able to connect an AC waveform in series with a 12VDC supply to one
> > of the motors, and figure out how to detect whether the home switch is
> > closed or not. Basically, you make a 31KHz (or similar frequency)
> > squarewave in series with the power supply, and watch the current through
> > the motor. If the button is open and the capacitor is not in-circuit,
> the
> > motor's inductance absorbs the AC and the current draw is relatively
> > smooth. But when the motor arrives at the home position (when you need
> to
> > stop delivering product!) the capacitor gets switched in, and now you'll
> > see a lot of the AC on the current path of the system.
> >
> > Here is a video showing the voltage across a 22-ohm series resistor while
> > the motor is rotating with 12VDC:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHIGDw5HRCg
> >
> > apparently it takes that motor about 11 seconds to dispense a product and
> > finish returning to home position, assuming the product weighs nothing.
> >
> > by the way, you'll notice that i'm using the old analog oscilloscope.
> > Unfortunately the LeCroy 9510 has started crashing, basically
> > bluescreening. It probably needs to be opened up and cleaned, as it got
> > wet after a fire before it was donated to sudoroom.
> >
> > Or maybe someone wants to donate a nicer oscilloscope to sudoroom?
> >
> > anyway, now I know how to detect the motor homing signal, and I just need
> > to wire up this machine to its arduino to detect the signal and dispense
> > product more accurately. If anyone wants to help, please let me know.
> >
> > by the way, if you are wondering how the UC students detected when the
> > motors were finished dispensing product, the answer is absurd:
> >
> > they put a laser beam across the path where product would fall when
> > dispensed, and they watched for the laser beam to be interrupted.
> >
> > did it work? I don't know. probably the semester ended and they got
> > their grade and moved on, and then they donated the vending machine to
> us.
> >
> > -jake
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 16:53:13 -0700
> From: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
> To: Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk>, "mesh at lists.sudoroom.org"
> <mesh at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Schedule change and update from last
> meeting/hacknight and
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> This was meant for the mesh list, cc'd!
>
> Jenny
>
> Help open a people-powered common space in Oakland, California!
> https://omnicommons.org/donate
>
> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> -Laurie Anderson
>
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
> -Hannah Arendt
>
> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> -Stéphane Mallarmé
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>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>
> > Unless someone complains I'm dropping the Thursday evening events for
> now.
> >
> > That means that we have one weekly meeting only: Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
> >
> > Last meeting I was planning to prototype a 12v power cable. A couple of
> > new meshers showed up though. I'm sure these won't be people who show up
> > once and then never again since one is already an active sudo'er and the
> > other is a ccl'er. I ended up intro-ing them to the mesh. One of them
> > should be able to tie intro existing mesh connections in west oakland but
> > needed approval from housemates, the other person has a view of lake
> > merritt and he took a home node and picostation extender back with him :)
> >
> > Next Tuesday I want to try to solder those cables and we need to design a
> > sticker that annotates what each port on the home node is used for so we
> > don't have to manually make little notes/stickers every time.
> >
> > --
> > marc/juul
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:57:16 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> To: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "echoudhry at gmail.com" <echoudhry at gmail.com>,
> "emmaselephants33 at gmail.com" <emmaselephants33 at gmail.com>, "Zach
> ."
> <organic_unity at yahoo.com>, Sudo-Discuss
> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery
> solved
> Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1604091852090.91568 at pe710.spaz.org>
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>
> mitch there are 42 motors, arranged in a row/column grid
>
> this way there are no extra wires. you have to be able to detect the
> "home" state of each product independantly!
>
> the other vending machine, a "snackshop II" uses a totally different
> system. AC power is wired to all the motors through their homing switch,
> so they will automatically turn until they are at "home" position.
>
> Then there is a single wire from each motor to the appropriate button on
> the front of the vending machine, and when the meatbag presses the button
> of the product they want, current flows through the money-counting circuit
> (and through diodes corresponding to the 5-bit value of nickels to charge
> for the product!) and if the mortal has paid for its food, the circuit is
> closed and the motor runs despite its Home position - but only for long
> enough for the motor to leave "home" and then the home switch runs the
> motor until it gets home again - after the user has been served.
>
> we use this charlieplexed optocoupled-triac board for that machine:
>
> https://github.com/sudoroom/hackomat
>
> -jake
>
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016, Mitch Altman wrote:
>
> > That is a bizarre way of detecting "home". Since there's a switch,
> wouldn't it be easier to just connect the switch directly to the Arduino to
> detect "home"?
> >
> >
> > -----------------
> > > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:42:06 -0500
> > > From: jake at spaz.org
> > > To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org; adam at aperture.systems;
> organic_unity at yahoo.com; emmaselephants33 at gmail.com; echoudhry at gmail.com
> > > Subject: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery solved
> > >
> > > so i've been working on the black sudoroom vending machine (vending1):
> > >
> > > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/hack-o-mat
> > >
> > > which had previously been hacked by students at UC Berkeley (i think)
> > >
> > > I believe it's a Snacktron like Emma and Ed's machine.
> > > (unlike our brown vending machine which is a snackshop II)
> > > pictures of their machine can be seen here:
> > > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/
> > >
> > > they had ripped out the original control unit, and wired it up with a
> > > bunch of reed relays and an arduino. The motors of the vending machine
> > > are wired as a grid of rows and columns, so the controller needs to be
> > > able to enable a single row and column in order to power one product
> > > motor.
> > >
> > > But it also needs to be able to detect when the product motor has
> rotated
> > > a full turn, and is back at the "home" position where it needs to stop.
> > > There's a "home" sensor on the back of the motor, but the way it's
> wired
> > > was a mystery for a while. Here's some pictures of the homing circuit:
> > >
> > > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015211.jpg
> > > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015700.jpg
> > >
> > > as you can see, the only difference between the button being pressed or
> > > not pressed, is that the 420nF capacitor is in parallel with the motor
> or
> > > not. Since the whole thing is in series with a diode (to protect
> against
> > > trying to turn a motor backwards) we were stumped as to how to detect
> > > whether a motor was homed or not.
> > >
> > > Thanks to Zach who donated some test equipment including this awesome
> > > signal generator (along with a nice power supply and bench multimeter):
> > > http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
> > >
> > > I was able to connect an AC waveform in series with a 12VDC supply to
> one
> > > of the motors, and figure out how to detect whether the home switch is
> > > closed or not. Basically, you make a 31KHz (or similar frequency)
> > > squarewave in series with the power supply, and watch the current
> through
> > > the motor. If the button is open and the capacitor is not in-circuit,
> the
> > > motor's inductance absorbs the AC and the current draw is relatively
> > > smooth. But when the motor arrives at the home position (when you need
> to
> > > stop delivering product!) the capacitor gets switched in, and now
> you'll
> > > see a lot of the AC on the current path of the system.
> > >
> > > Here is a video showing the voltage across a 22-ohm series resistor
> while
> > > the motor is rotating with 12VDC:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHIGDw5HRCg
> > >
> > > apparently it takes that motor about 11 seconds to dispense a product
> and
> > > finish returning to home position, assuming the product weighs nothing.
> > >
> > > by the way, you'll notice that i'm using the old analog oscilloscope.
> > > Unfortunately the LeCroy 9510 has started crashing, basically
> > > bluescreening. It probably needs to be opened up and cleaned, as it got
> > > wet after a fire before it was donated to sudoroom.
> > >
> > > Or maybe someone wants to donate a nicer oscilloscope to sudoroom?
> > >
> > > anyway, now I know how to detect the motor homing signal, and I just
> need
> > > to wire up this machine to its arduino to detect the signal and
> dispense
> > > product more accurately. If anyone wants to help, please let me know.
> > >
> > > by the way, if you are wondering how the UC students detected when the
> > > motors were finished dispensing product, the answer is absurd:
> > >
> > > they put a laser beam across the path where product would fall when
> > > dispensed, and they watched for the laser beam to be interrupted.
> > >
> > > did it work? I don't know. probably the semester ended and they got
> > > their grade and moved on, and then they donated the vending machine to
> us.
> > >
> > > -jake
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> >
> >
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 03:34:02 -0700
> From: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> To: <jake at spaz.org>
> Cc: echoudhry at gmail.com, emmaselephants33 at gmail.com,
> organic_unity at yahoo.com, sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery
> solved
> Message-ID: <BAY172-W428E335356AFAF2218DC4AB8930 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Crazy design! I don't know if I could have figured that out. Cool that
> you did!
>
> > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:57:16 -0500
> > From: jake at spaz.org
> > To: maltman23 at hotmail.com
> > CC: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org; adam at aperture.systems;
> organic_unity at yahoo.com; emmaselephants33 at gmail.com; echoudhry at gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery solved
> >
> > mitch there are 42 motors, arranged in a row/column grid
> >
> > this way there are no extra wires. you have to be able to detect the
> > "home" state of each product independantly!
> >
> > the other vending machine, a "snackshop II" uses a totally different
> > system. AC power is wired to all the motors through their homing switch,
> > so they will automatically turn until they are at "home" position.
> >
> > Then there is a single wire from each motor to the appropriate button on
> > the front of the vending machine, and when the meatbag presses the button
> > of the product they want, current flows through the money-counting
> circuit
> > (and through diodes corresponding to the 5-bit value of nickels to charge
> > for the product!) and if the mortal has paid for its food, the circuit is
> > closed and the motor runs despite its Home position - but only for long
> > enough for the motor to leave "home" and then the home switch runs the
> > motor until it gets home again - after the user has been served.
> >
> > we use this charlieplexed optocoupled-triac board for that machine:
> >
> > https://github.com/sudoroom/hackomat
> >
> > -jake
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Apr 2016, Mitch Altman wrote:
> >
> > > That is a bizarre way of detecting "home". Since there's a switch,
> wouldn't it be easier to just connect the switch directly to the Arduino to
> detect "home"?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > > > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:42:06 -0500
> > > > From: jake at spaz.org
> > > > To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org; adam at aperture.systems;
> organic_unity at yahoo.com; emmaselephants33 at gmail.com; echoudhry at gmail.com
> > > > Subject: [sudo-discuss] vending machine homing switch mystery solved
> > > >
> > > > so i've been working on the black sudoroom vending machine
> (vending1):
> > > >
> > > > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/hack-o-mat
> > > >
> > > > which had previously been hacked by students at UC Berkeley (i think)
> > > >
> > > > I believe it's a Snacktron like Emma and Ed's machine.
> > > > (unlike our brown vending machine which is a snackshop II)
> > > > pictures of their machine can be seen here:
> > > > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/
> > > >
> > > > they had ripped out the original control unit, and wired it up with a
> > > > bunch of reed relays and an arduino. The motors of the vending
> machine
> > > > are wired as a grid of rows and columns, so the controller needs to
> be
> > > > able to enable a single row and column in order to power one product
> > > > motor.
> > > >
> > > > But it also needs to be able to detect when the product motor has
> rotated
> > > > a full turn, and is back at the "home" position where it needs to
> stop.
> > > > There's a "home" sensor on the back of the motor, but the way it's
> wired
> > > > was a mystery for a while. Here's some pictures of the homing
> circuit:
> > > >
> > > > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015211.jpg
> > > > http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/vend/IMG_20160401_015700.jpg
> > > >
> > > > as you can see, the only difference between the button being pressed
> or
> > > > not pressed, is that the 420nF capacitor is in parallel with the
> motor or
> > > > not. Since the whole thing is in series with a diode (to protect
> against
> > > > trying to turn a motor backwards) we were stumped as to how to detect
> > > > whether a motor was homed or not.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Zach who donated some test equipment including this awesome
> > > > signal generator (along with a nice power supply and bench
> multimeter):
> > > > http://imgur.com/LTSFfOe
> > > >
> > > > I was able to connect an AC waveform in series with a 12VDC supply
> to one
> > > > of the motors, and figure out how to detect whether the home switch
> is
> > > > closed or not. Basically, you make a 31KHz (or similar frequency)
> > > > squarewave in series with the power supply, and watch the current
> through
> > > > the motor. If the button is open and the capacitor is not
> in-circuit, the
> > > > motor's inductance absorbs the AC and the current draw is relatively
> > > > smooth. But when the motor arrives at the home position (when you
> need to
> > > > stop delivering product!) the capacitor gets switched in, and now
> you'll
> > > > see a lot of the AC on the current path of the system.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a video showing the voltage across a 22-ohm series resistor
> while
> > > > the motor is rotating with 12VDC:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHIGDw5HRCg
> > > >
> > > > apparently it takes that motor about 11 seconds to dispense a
> product and
> > > > finish returning to home position, assuming the product weighs
> nothing.
> > > >
> > > > by the way, you'll notice that i'm using the old analog oscilloscope.
> > > > Unfortunately the LeCroy 9510 has started crashing, basically
> > > > bluescreening. It probably needs to be opened up and cleaned, as it
> got
> > > > wet after a fire before it was donated to sudoroom.
> > > >
> > > > Or maybe someone wants to donate a nicer oscilloscope to sudoroom?
> > > >
> > > > anyway, now I know how to detect the motor homing signal, and I just
> need
> > > > to wire up this machine to its arduino to detect the signal and
> dispense
> > > > product more accurately. If anyone wants to help, please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > by the way, if you are wondering how the UC students detected when
> the
> > > > motors were finished dispensing product, the answer is absurd:
> > > >
> > > > they put a laser beam across the path where product would fall when
> > > > dispensed, and they watched for the laser beam to be interrupted.
> > > >
> > > > did it work? I don't know. probably the semester ended and they got
> > > > their grade and moved on, and then they donated the vending machine
> to us.
> > > >
> > > > -jake
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
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> > >
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