[sudo-discuss] johnny ban / process?

[Marina Kukso]

is it possible for someone who's not in oakland for the forseeable future
to offer to be a conflict steward? (eg me)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>
wrote:

> marc, if i read what you just wrote and i was an "accused" individual i'd
> have a really hard time expecting to get fair treatment out of the sudo
> remediation process.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> aside from any other issues, i sincerely doubt that this is a game to
>>> johnny given that he wants to participate in the space..
>>>
>>> let's focus on "restorative" instead of "retributive" - johnny seems (to
>>> me) to want to follow the process in a good faith way. for anyone who is
>>> more familiar with the omni and sudo remediation process than i am, any
>>> ideas on how to move forward from here?
>>>
>>
>> Accusations are one thing but the way people choose to respond to
>> accusations is usually a very good predictor of whether they end up with a
>> resolved conflict and regaining access to the space.
>>
>> After Johnny's comments in this thread I predict that he will not be
>> allowed back any time soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 7:24 AM, robb <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> #swish?
>>>>
>>>> really, this is all just a game to you johnny?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it true that Lesley's has a temporary restraining order against
>>>>> you? That seems to rise above mere "gossip and accusations", and seems like
>>>>> it would be substantial enough to trigger at least a temporary ban.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, it's the nature of interpersonal conflicts that there may not be
>>>>> any more than "accusations" available to make a decision on. So if someone
>>>>> states that they feel unsafe around another person, it may be justified to
>>>>> remove that other person from the space at least temporarily, until a
>>>>> better informed decision can be reached.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2016 2:16 AM, "Johnny" <mostmodernist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> that link says if "someone's safety is at risk, a temporary ban may be
>>>>> placed".  it says nothing about how, and obviously is meant to deal with
>>>>> clear present safety issues, not gossip and accusations.
>>>>>
>>>>> abusing that vague apparatus of the super-system to ban people on mere
>>>>> claims is totally fascist and supremacist behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> defending it is also fascist.
>>>>>
>>>>> calling out for the record that Marc, Matt, Cere, Sigma, Jeremy are
>>>>> fascists for consent to abuse system and unjustly override process without
>>>>> sudo quorum; ya'll better not step on any cracks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Johnny <mostmodernist at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marc,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No quorum you say?  Sub-Section 3.2.2 "Maintaining Safe Space During
>>>>>>> Conflict Resolution" states that my ban would have had to been ratified
>>>>>>> online without quorum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sudo room space, being part of Omni, is also subject to all Omni
>>>>>> rules, including the Omni safer space policy which I linked previously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> marc/juul
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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