[sudo-discuss] Proposal: Co-Invest in 15' Step Ladder

Fri Jan 26 23:13:46 PST 2018

Heyall,

Once it all gets settled on the model, price, and parameters add some
accessory costs for some bike locks or cable locks to make it easy to lock
it close to whatever project it is needed for at the time andor its
permanent storage spot. Copies of the keys could be left with Jenny, Robb,
and a couple others so someone responsible could always get a key from some
stash spot or person.

Thanks Ken

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ah, I didn't see that it slides down to half it's length - that is
> definitely useful. The old 13ft ladder was a handful to navigate through
> the hallway, and a 15' or 16' one might not even fit unless it can be
> collapsed down a bit.
>
> I do think it would make more sense for the ladder to be paid out of Omni
> funds, but the cost share is small enough that I'm not going to nitpick
> that.
>
> I would suggest we approve this purchase. And while we wait for everybody
> to get on board,  maybe we can look around a bit more for a better deal...
>
> Patrik
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2018 6:45 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To Brendan's points:
> * The ladder you posted lists in specs: Step Ladder Maximum Height -
> Closed (ft.) - 8.58
> The ladder needs to be A-Frame height tall enough to reach the ballroom
> ceiling (21' - 7' estimate human height reaching = 13' minimum standing
> from the top step, so 15' safely)
> * Re: OSHA, the listing I posted states "The Skyscraper M15 exceeds all
> OSHA and ANSI standards and is rated to hold up to 300 lbs. " The postings
> Patrik listed all claim to be OSHA-Compliant, as well - can you post a link
> or quote the code re: aluminum ladders?
>
> To Patrik's -
> Most of the ladders on the Home Depot site all have estimated delivery
> times of March 1-6, are not adjustable, and store at full height (14'-16'),
> whereas the one I posted will arrive between Feb 6-9, is fully adjustable,
> and stores at 8' (meaning it can be transported on a car's roof rack,
> otherwise this cost would not be split with mesh). Also, the only ones
> sufficiently tall enough (16') are in the $600 range, except for the last
> one you listed:
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum
> -Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-
> Rating-AS1016/300388424
> That one's $433 and expected delivery between Feb 2-8
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Ste
> p-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-T7414/203134372?
> MERCH=REC-_-rv_gm_pip_rr-_-300388424-_-203134372-_-N
> This one *may* suffice (ceiling reachable from the top step), and is
> fiberglass and $495. The 16' version is $597. Neither would arrive until
> March, tho.
>
> If we go for the $433 ladder, we'd need to be able to store it at 16' and
> mesh wouldn't participate in the cost-share. Split equitably that'd be $150
> each from Omni, Sudo & CCL, or weighted, $250 from Omni and $100 each from
> sudo & CCL.
>
> Jenny
>
> Help open a professional kitchen at the Omni Commons in Oakland!
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>
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> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is it just me, or does $675 seem awfully expensive for a 300lb, 15'
>> ladder?
>>
>> Here's a few 14' and 16' ladders at Home Despot that are closer to the
>> $400 range:
>>
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladde
>> r-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-414/203134172
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-14-ft-Aluminum
>> -Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-
>> AS1014/300388422
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Ste
>> p-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-T7414/203134372
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum
>> -Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-
>> AS1016/300388424
>>
>> Patrik
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings Omninoms/sudoers/CCL'ers/meshers,
>>>
>>> Last week, Omni's tall A-frame ladder disappeared from the entrance hall
>>> (if anyone noticed someone exiting the building with a ~13' wooden ladder,
>>> lmk).
>>>
>>> Robb and I did a bit of research, and ladders that tall are hard to come
>>> by and fairly expensive. This 15' A-frame Little Giant seems to be the best
>>> bet:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00064C4SQ/
>>>
>>> Our scaffolding is bulky, takes time to set up, and doesn't reach the
>>> ceilings in the ballroom, entrance hall nor sudo/ccl. A bucket lift is ~10x
>>> more expensive, and wouldn't be able to access some parts of the building
>>> we'd use it in. With a ladder this size, we could use it for working on the
>>> ceilings everywhere - and mesh could use it for our Sunday node mounts.
>>>
>>> The cost is $674.80, so I'm proposing the following financial split:
>>> * Omni - $330
>>> * Sudo - $115
>>> * CCL - $115
>>> * Sudo Mesh - $115
>>>
>>> Ideas on how best to securely store it?
>>>
>>> Please let me know asap if there are any blocking concerns or better
>>> ideas. I'll bring it up at the next sudoroom and mesh meetings and
>>> hopefully someone can bring it up at CCL's.
>>>
>>> <3
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>> Help open a professional kitchen at the Omni Commons in Oakland!
>>> https://omnicommons.org/kitchen
>>>
>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>
>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>> it."
>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>
>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>
>>> "Anything done for the first time unleashes a demon."
>>> --Dave Sim, "Cerebus the Aardvark"
>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
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