[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Linux dual boot on Basement Computer bank?

Mon Jan 29 15:35:12 PST 2018

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Reporting back, folks. I checked out all the 9 basement computers, and 
found that someone had blown Linux Mint on two of them, without 
bothering to preserve the original Windows installs. For whatever 
reason, one of the installs didn't take and the machine would not boot 
to a useful operating system. So I cloned the #1 computer onto those 
machines, so they have Windows 10 and Debian Linux stable on them. I 
gave them all new host names and Windows 10 didn't trigger any 
activation issues, like I'd feared it would. I also looked over the rest 
of the boxen & found that one of the machines would not boot, and 
futzing with the cards and RAM didn't seem to help, so it is unplugged 
in the corner.

I sent an email to Almaz explaining what I had done, but didn't get a 
reply, so I left it alone until I bumped in to her a few weeks ago, and 
explained that 3 of the machines now dual booted, into Windows by 
default, and showed her how to choose Linux with the up-arrow key during 
boot up. Without my prompting Almaz asked whether I could make the rest 
of the boxes dual boot, and I told her I would be happy to do so, and 
finished last week. I found that 2 of the machines had failing hard 
drives, so I swapped the drive from the non-booting corner Windows box 
and brought a 500 GB SATA drive from home, and cloned the first machine 
onto it. *So there are now 8 functioning Lenovo computers in the 
basement that dual-boot Windows 10 and Debian Linux stable*.

I decided the corner spot might as well have a working computer, so I 
brought in a funky-looking Athlon II X3 440 
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+II+X3+440> triple 
core box with 4GB of DDR2 memory that had belonged to Ed Rippy, a 
sudoroom member who died of cancer in late 2016. The box also has Debian 
stable copied on it, and I set up a not-great 1080p monitor along with 
the original Dell 1280x1024 monitor (oriented vertically), so anyone who 
wants can use a dual-monitor rig down there. I also brought in some 2.1 
speakers. I've been using the box so I don't tie up a Liberated Lens 
machine (I built them a i7 Hackintosh 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSx86> with 32GB of memory that triple 
boots into O$X, Windohs & Linux). Mr. Rippy's box is pretty noisy, but 
it has some grunt, Friday I was impressed with how fast it remastered 
some Pedie Perez 
<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/richard-pedie-perez-shooting-richmond-police_n_5879108.html> 
witness videos into a DVD that would play on a home player.

/_Pointless Aside_: Ed's main machine was a 6-core Athlon with a big SSD 
and 8 GB of RAM. It was faster than anything I had at the time, but when 
he died his housemate, a comrade from the Oscar Grant Committee, threw 
it out, along with a couple of printers and a bunch of other stuff 
because he thought it was all junk. Who uses those big, old computers 
anymore? Instead he brought me a refurbed $90 netbook (without its power 
adapter or mouse) that I'd given to Mr. Rippy when he was in the 
hospice, because he thought that was what I meant when I said I wanted 
to come by Walnut Creek and pick up Ed's computer stuff. I restrained 
myself from frisbeeing the //fucking thing 
<https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-Celeron-I3162-0000BLU/dp/B01BTW4QNE>//into 
the bushes, and instead ordered a replacement adapter and gave the 
boxlet away to Danilo so he could play around with Linux. Anywho, I'd 
snagged the triple core while Ed was still alive, so it didn't end up in 
the landfill./

While I'm on the subject of pointless puttering, I have some decent 
spare machines, and don't seem to be about to send another shipment to 
Cuba with tRump in the Right House, *I wonder if folks would like me to 
put a computer or 2 in the 2nd floor library*, above the ballroom? Or 
anywhere else, for that matter?

You can fool around with the boxes in the basement to see the version of 
Linux I have installed. Like I said before, if you just leave them on 
for about a minute they will boot to an unprivileged user account, 
'omni', password 'omnivore', or you can use the password SuDoRoOm to 
select the sudoroom account, which has sudo privileges.

/_Techy Babble_ for them's that like it: There is no ethernet in that 
basement hallway, and the Windows 10 boxes have a funky proprietary USB 
wifi dongle. I compiled a working driver, but I noticed that when you 
upgrade the kernel it doesn't add the driver unless you have the 
linux-headers package installed, and I'm not sure I installed it in all 
of the boxes, but I will eventually, but in the meantime, if you boot a 
machine that doesn't make a working wifi connection you can choose 
another box or just reboot that machine to the previous kernel by using 
the keyboard to select Advanced Options for Debian in the boot-loader. /

Still Living Ed

On 11/09/2017 04:31 PM, Ed Biow wrote:
> Julian, I don't know if the Mint box dual boots or if it obliterated 
> the Windows partition, it is about the fourth one over from the left, 
> I'll check the next time I'm in the Omni.  In any case, I'm sure we 
> could use clonezilla (http://clonezilla.org/) or partclone or some 
> such to copy over the file system from one of the working Windows 
> boxes, if desired. We might have to call Microsoft to re-activate the 
> installation, but I don't imagine that would be too burdensome. I 
> wouldn't mind doing that if these machines are actually being used to 
> teach children how to use corporate software or something equally 
> edifying.
>
> I'm open to explaining dual booting to GCEA and asking for their 
> permission before mucking with any of the other boxes but I'm not sure 
> how to get contact them, I scrolled through the 180 days of email I 
> keep on my riseup account that I use for political stuff, but didn't 
> see anything too damning. I assume Almaz is a person and not the 
> secretive Soviet military space station program from the sixties & 
> seventies? A search through my email turns up this address, should I 
> try to initiate contact?
>
> ahana75 at gmail.com
>
> I agree with Jake that unattended computers should not be left running 
> all the time, except maybe one or two of the public boxes on the 
> second floor. (They may be noisy, but they are mostly running 
> relatively low-powered AMD E-350 CPUs and probably use half the juice 
> of these basement Core 2 Duos) At home I tend to shut down a box if 
> I'm not going to be using it for more than a couple of hours or so 
> unless it is doing something. Even then you can tell the computer to 
> shut off after a given period of time.
>
> https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ushutdow.htm
>
> A long time ago there was a marginal case to be made for leaving a 
> machine on all the time, but that is no longer true.
>
> https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000390.htm
>
> BTW, the last time I went in to the Omni office to look for a pad for 
> Einstein I noticed that the 32" TV used as a monitor was on, it wasn't 
> even in sleep mode. I believe it hooked to a machine running OSX which 
> I am not unduly familiar with in a Biblical sense. Someone might  mess 
> with the computer's settings and tell it to blank the screen after 30 
> minutes or so.
> e
>
> On 11/08/2017 05:42 PM, Julian Park wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> As I understand it, these devices were a donation to GCEA. As GCEA 
>> does not have a dedicated space at Omni, and since the delegates 
>> assembly agreed having more devices in te library hall wouldn’t be an 
>> issue and could maybe be a plus, that was, as I recall, OK’d. 
>> Obviously passwords limit their common use. Nonetheless, I see no 
>> reason why, nor has anything happened to my knowledge to suggest 
>> otherwise, we shouldn’t continue to consider GCEA and Almaz (as the 
>> regular GCEA delegate, and all around Omni volunteer) as the stewards 
>> of those device. So before anything more gets done to them, I believe 
>> it should be cleared with Almaz and GCEA.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that a dual boot using that minor of a portion 
>> of the HDs is a good solution. I see no reason why GCEA would object 
>> once the proposal is communicated clearly (not everyone knows what a 
>> “dual boot” is); it makes sense that there be a way for Commoners to 
>> use the devices since they are in a Common area; it also makes sense 
>> that GCEA have the installation they want on there for the youth etc 
>> to study with. But again, I think this suggestion should first be 
>> cleared before acted on further. I can understand why you and 
>> “someone” went forward with the previous Linux installations 
>> previously without asking, given the locations of the devices and 
>> given hacking habits of Sudoers, nonetheless I think that when the 
>> fate of a given set of devices is unknown, and the devices themselves 
>> are not in, e.g., Sudo Room itself, now and in the future it would be 
>> best for people to ask and wait for confirmation before going ahead 
>> rather than going ahead and asking after the fact. Cleary, you’re 
>> currently asking. Relatedly, would it be possible to restore Windows 
>> to the first device down there with Linux on it, from which it sounds 
>> like it was removed?
>>
>> Best,
>> Julian
>> BAPS
>>
>>
>>
>> On November 8, 2017 at 4:03:00 PM, Ed Biow (biow at riseup.net 
>> <mailto:biow at riseup.net>) wrote:
>>> A few months ago about a dozen Core 2 Duo Lenovo boxes with 4 GB of RAM
>>> materialized in the basement hall way. They were all left running with
>>> the monitors on, but they had Windohs on them and the lock screens
>>> required a password which was nowhere in evidence, and rebooting also
>>> required a PW to log in.  Anywho, since they just seemed to be heating
>>> the basement, and it was summertime anyway I shut them all off, and did
>>> so a couple of weeks later when I noticed they were powered back on
>>> again. Since then they have mostly been off, and some folks know the
>>> password and have been using them periodically. Someone blew Linux Mint
>>> on one of the boxen.
>>>
>>> The one on the far left (facing the wall) was unplugged, I plugged it
>>> back in but it was beeping whenever it booted, but just required that I
>>> open the case and clamp down the memory sticks, All Praise Cyber Jesus.
>>> Since I had revived box from the dead like Lazarus I felt like no one
>>> would object if I made it dual boot Linux as well as Windows 10. The
>>> machines are mostly empty and have 300-500 GB hard drives, so I hacked
>>> off 60 GB and copied a Debian 9 installation off of a flash drive, 
>>> fixed
>>> the fstab, installed grub, and set the machine to boot Windoze by
>>> default. The USB wifi sticks are the only way for these things to get
>>> internet since there is no ethernet cable in that hallway, but I 
>>> managed
>>> to get one working with Debian and it seems stable.
>>>
>>> So unless someone objects I propose to set the rest of the machines to
>>> boot automatically into Windows (and not require a PW when the screen
>>> blanks) and also, I'd whack off a small chunk of their hard drives so
>>> all the boxes dual boot Windows and Debian stable (except possibly the
>>> Mint box, it may have been installed to stomp on the whole drive).  It
>>> will give me something to do and keep me out of the sun. This will not
>>> adversely effect the Windows installations, which will still be
>>> available to do whatever folks do in that OS.
>>>
>>> Attached is a picture of the machine I mucked with, folks can go down
>>> there and play around with it. As those of you are wise in the ways of
>>> dual booting know, you can select Linux by using the "up arrow" key on
>>> the keyboard to scroll to the Debian 9 "grub" entry and hit the Enter
>>> key. It will automatically boot to a non-privileged "omni" account (PW:
>>> omnivore) and it will hang for a few seconds at the lightdm display
>>> manager to give you a chance to change the Linux desktop to taste (I
>>> configured it for mate, xfce, cinnamon & KDE, and could add other
>>> options if desired). You can also switch users to a "sudoroom" user,
>>> that has sudo privileges, the PW is the same as the username, except in
>>> drop case.
>>>
>>> In a world without Gates who needs Windows?
>>>
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   You can use a PGP key to encrypt and secure our messages. To start using it, you'll need to install an OpenPGP software on your computer.  Below you'll find a list of possible solutions for your operating system:

Windoze: Kleopatra (http://gpg4win.de/download.html)
OSX: GPG Keychain (https://gpgtools.org/#gpgsuite)
Linux: GnuPG (https://www.gnupg.org/related_software/frontends.html)
Android: OpenKeychain (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.sufficientlysecure.keychain)
i(diot)OS: iPGMail (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipgmail/id430780873?mt=8)

Once you set up PGP on your computer please import my public key into your local OpenPGP Key-Manager. The valid PGP keys for my biow at cubasoldarity.net & biow at riseup.net accounts can be downloaded
here: http://ebiow.yasashi.net/pgp/

An "easy" way to set up PGP on your computer is to download the free & open sources Thunderbird email client (available on Linux, Windohs & O$X) & install the EnigMail Add-On.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/all.html
https://www.enigmail.net/download/
https://www.enigmail.net/documentation/quickstart-ch1.php

Looking forward to exchange snooping-free messages with you & making the NSA spend mondo bucks to discover the secret of my bube's kartofel kugel recipe.

PGP Public Key for biow at riseup.net:

Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)

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