[sudo-discuss] [omni-consensus] Proposal: Hire or Replace Me as Omni's Bookkeeper

Fri Mar 22 18:24:27 PDT 2019

for the record, event organizers contract directly with omni audio engineers
omni does not pay them

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 6:09 PM Lesley Bell <zvezdalune at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, another of my 0.02, the big issue I've heard raised is that this
> would somehow give Jenny more power specifically in the GCEA conflict.
>
> Has anyone pointed out that Almaz's nonpayment of promised funds basically
> already constitutes us paying her, and paying Jenny therefore doesn't give
> her extra status over Almaz, but according to the objectors' logic,
> actually makes them more equal?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:54 PM Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just a quick chime in about precedent for paying people.  We have, in the
>> past, also payed people for doing big show sound setup and teardown as,
>> again, no one else could step up to doing the job in the pro manner that
>> was needed, so…
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:30 PM Lesley Bell <zvezdalune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys, I have not been aware of this thread as I've had a major issue
>>> that has now been resolved, but I too completely advocate for Jenny
>>> stepping into this role.
>>>
>>> As far as power, paying people when we're all volunteers, etc. there are
>>> some philosophical things we need to work out, (e.g. I'm not going to feel
>>> as good about cleaning the bathroom for free the next time there's a
>>> shitsplosion if I know someone else gets paid to clean it) but in this case
>>> specifically we have a precedent--we have paid lawyers and other
>>> specialists to do things that we needed done well and didn't have
>>> volunteers that were capable of doing them, like we did with Jesse, our
>>> lawyer.
>>>
>>> This is temporary, necessary, and I volunteer as an accountability buddy
>>> who will stand up to Jenny if she attempts to become Omni dictator at any
>>> point in the future. Which she will not, and that's why I am advocating so
>>> strongly for her to be able to do this.
>>>
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:38 PM Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve, Julian, would you agree to Omni hiring Jenny at least to do this
>>>> year's taxes? In my opinion, there is zero chance to hire a CPA who has as
>>>> much background knowledge of the Omni's finances and would be willing to do
>>>> it for as low a fee as she is charging.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny had suggested a trial period anyway. We can revisit the issue of
>>>> hiring her permanently afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jenny Ryan <jenny at jennyryan.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Re: Timing - A quick glance at the edit history of the Google Doc I
>>>>> linked to in my proposal
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZwwjGPjsCryp78dySTHFbrmiTZR-Q5FqQf82S5eTpk/edit#>
>>>>> can demonstrate that I've been writing it since last October, knowing I
>>>>> would need to start generating my household's income this year and acutely
>>>>> aware of how much time Omni's bookkeeping work has taken in the past. It
>>>>> should be noted I'm essentially doing the bookkeeping for not one, but 6
>>>>> collectives (Omni writ large, Sudo, LibLens, partial DIY [they have a
>>>>> secondary fiscal sponsor as well], The Village [a significant amount of
>>>>> work], and BAPS [tho they contributed $0 in 2019 and have no expenses]) and
>>>>> tax season is now upon us.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am unable to attend the Delegate's Meeting this Thursday as I'll be
>>>>> out of town, but happy to answer any questions or concerns remotely.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 6:58 AM Steve Martinot <martinot4 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Ironically, people raise the fact that I haven't responded to this
>>>>>> thread. But I didn't see any responses or discussion concerning what I
>>>>>> raised in my last two emails. I guess some people like to have it both ways.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The suggestion has been made that I should fulfill certain criteria
>>>>>> in order to speak (like shoeing up for meetings that I'm not sure will
>>>>>> actually occur).  If that is the case, then please give me the full list of
>>>>>> criteria I need to meet in order to speak (when I feel like speaking), with
>>>>>> the source or foundation for the items on the list. That way, some brave
>>>>>> soul can tell me to shut the fuck up if I don't fulfill all the terms of
>>>>>> the list. At least, that is the logic of some of the statements made in
>>>>>> which my name is bandied about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve, who's telling you not to speak? Quite the opposite, I'm asking
>>>>>> you to say something substantial about the issue of paying Jenny (or
>>>>>> somebody else) to do Omni's bookkeeping, which IIRC you still haven't
>>>>>> done, and which I think should be a bare minimum requirement in a
>>>>>> consensus process where you're the only person blocking, which appears
>>>>>> to be the case here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, the past 3 delegates meetings have had full or nearly
>>>>>> full quorum.
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