[sudo-discuss] Call for Facilitators / Participants in a sudo Men's Group

Wed Jan 15 11:26:23 PST 2020

Hello 6 year old thread!

I believe that the idea of a sudo room "Men confronting Patriarchy" group
never took off, but I think there is a way to move forward now. In the last
year I have been part of another local group "STAND
<http://standbayarea.com/>" which I really believe in. STAND is a group of
people who benefit from white, male privilege in the Bay Area engaging in
movements for racial, gender, and economic justice. Here are the details of
an upcoming workshop of theirs which I hope some sudo members can make:

*Title*Challenging White Male Supremacy Workshop

*Date and Time*
Sun, January 26, 2020
2:00 PM – 6:00 PM PST

*Location*
Sierra Club
#1300
2101 Webster Street
Oakland, CA 94612

*Cost*
Free
*Eventbrite link*
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/challenging-white-male-supremacy-workshop-tickets-79785098377

*Description*
Are you (or do you know) someone who benefits from white male privilege and
is willing to contribute to racial, gender, and economic justice? Yes?
Great! There’s room for you. We need you. But what can you do, and how?
Join us for an afternoon to explore how we can show up with integrity,
imagination, and our whole selves. Is there one answer, one path?
Definitely (and thankfully) not! We’re not going to judge or tell you what
to do. Instead, we’ll learn how we’ve gotten to the moment we’re in, and
discuss ways you can leverage your position as a white man to help create a
world that’s more equitable and less oppressive.

Make a great day,
Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/

On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 at 19:39, eddan.com <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:

> has there been any development on the sudo men's group meetings? i'm quite
> interested in participating, but was hoping to learn more about the
> direction you guys are taking.
>
> relatedly, i was at the RightsCon discussion today about "Ending Violence
> Against Women Online: No One's Liability, Everyone's Responsibility". very
> intriguing to learn about how there are two tracks being pushed by the
> leaders in this space internationally - one focused on gender neutral safe
> space concepts and one focused on gender inclusivity in current online
> platforms. i think with matt & max's leadership, there's a great deal that
> sudo men can contribute to these important developments.
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 PM, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> > I don't have the time to make it out to Oakland much, nor the
> > bandwidth for another group. Thanks for thinking of me, and good luck!
> > -Tom
> >
> > On 25 February 2014 21:39, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I would also suggest that a nice place to start is maybe this ADA
> Initiative
> >> Allies Workshop. There are two coming up in the beginning of march, the
> 7th
> >> and 11th. $200-Free sliding scale:
> >>
> >>
> http://adainitiative.org/2014/02/allies-workshops-in-the-san-francisco-bay-area/
> >>
> >> I watched a video of a past workshop and it was really useful. I didn't
> >> realize about how you make somebody aware that you don't like their
> sexist
> >> behaviour and then drop it and move on. They also mentioned about how to
> >> utilize "Charle's rules for arguments" to not get too involved in
> arguing.
> >> Your allow to make your point, and one clarification, and then you don't
> >> argue any more.
> >> http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/03/21/charles_rules_of_argument/
> >>
> >> notconfusing
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Tossing my hat in!  Been wanting to start men's feminist circle
> myself.  I
> >>> wonder if we can make this a skype call in or something.  <3    Also,
> just
> >>> read this great little MVC essay which makes me think about hackerspace
> >>> interactions a lot
> >>> http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/ceo-archetypes-7-joan-of-arc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Max for filling out your availability! Other interested
> parties,
> >>>> please do so here: http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Jenny for the cc, (Hi Tom), and that sounds like a great first
> >>>> agenda item for this little cluster, easily done on the sudo room
> wiki or
> >>>> Noisebridge wiki, or both.
> >>>>
> >>>> // Matt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Something that might be fruitful is creating a list of resources and
> >>>>> readings that are more easily digestible by geek men in particular,
> and of
> >>>>> course humans in general. I'm cc'ing Tom from Noisebridge, who's been
> >>>>> organizing a feminist book group for men at Noisebridge over the
> past couple
> >>>>> of months.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -totally unaffiliated ally of this proposal :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jenny
> >>>>> http://jennyryan.net
> >>>>> http://thepyre.org
> >>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> >>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> >>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> >>>>> -Laurie Anderson
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
> defining
> >>>>> it."
> >>>>> -Hannah Arendt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> >>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
> >>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <
> mattsenate at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> sorry, not "weekly" I don't know how frequently such a group should
> >>>>>> meet!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <
> mattsenate at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Max, this is great:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Be radical sudo men. Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But let's also meet and talk, I think it will be fruitful. Please
> >>>>>>> share your availability on this calendar, and we'll start a little
> weekly
> >>>>>>> meeting group. I favor Mondays in case folks have similar
> interests:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> // Matt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As I see it - or perhaps I am wanting to see it this way - this
> Men's
> >>>>>>>> group's purpose would be to combat mindlessly performing
> inculcated
> >>>>>>>> patriarchal motions. And in the process of de-conditioning
> yourself as a
> >>>>>>>> "man", becoming a convincing, subtle and non-naggy argument for
> other men to
> >>>>>>>> do the same. Slowly doing what we can do restore a gender
> equitable society,
> >>>>>>>> from our side (while knowing that we can't do it ourselves,
> that's the sort
> >>>>>>>> of thinking that got us here in the first place).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So a thousand yeses to all of the above. But how do we do it? In
> >>>>>>>> person meetings? Too self selecting. Online? Not visible enough.
> Making a
> >>>>>>>> charter? Toothless. Doing volunteer work? Pointless doting.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here's my suggestion, and I'm open to more. Be radical sudo men.
> >>>>>>>> Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy.
> >>>>>>>> notconfusing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Ryan Bethencourt
> >>>>>>>> <ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Great idea and I'm in if we can keep the time commitment
> relatively
> >>>>>>>>> light
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2014 9:12 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Positive responses at the weekly meeting. I started mulling it
> over
> >>>>>>>>>> more and would like to add:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm basically reaching out for help to men who would like to
> >>>>>>>>>> actively contribute to improving the performance of gender
> dynamics and to
> >>>>>>>>>> provide space for healing and support in sudo room. Please
> consider
> >>>>>>>>>> contributing, no experts required, just an open mind.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Max,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I don't have any particular resources in mind at the moment,
> want
> >>>>>>>>>> to be a bit open-ended, see what makes sense, then do some
> research and
> >>>>>>>>>> document along the way.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> // Matt
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Max B <maxb.personal at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think its a great idea!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Would you mind linking to some resources that have
> explanations of
> >>>>>>>>>>> what you're thinking about more specifically? I think people
> may have very
> >>>>>>>>>>> different ideas of what a men's group might do. I can do some
> looking around
> >>>>>>>>>>> later if need be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On February 19, 2014 6:48:50 PM PST, Matthew Senate
> >>>>>>>>>>> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to reach out for some feedback. Seeking folks who
> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> want to facilitate or participate in a men's group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've previously participated in small groups like this and
> found
> >>>>>>>>>>>> them beneficial for various reasons. I would like to see if
> folks have had
> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar or different experiences.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The way I'm thinking about this would culminate in something
> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a regular meeting for men in the sudo room community to
> discuss relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issues including those of identity, oppression, privilege,
> patriarchy,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> gender, sexuality, stereotypes, safe space, and mutual
> support.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This may not be the best or even a viable path to approach
> these
> >>>>>>>>>>>> topics, but I wanted to throw it out there to see if there is
> any interest.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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