Thank you Liz for chiming in and boy do I agree with your sentiments. 

Personally, I ruminated a lot this year that if what the community wants is limitless storage of potentially-useful items as perhaps Omni’s main de-facto function on a per-square-foot basis as the community’s shared storage garage.. then we might do far better to sell omni, get a much cheaper and bigger open-floorplan warehouse, fill it with pallet shelving, park a forklift in there, give folks access codes and probably have money left over to spare for other things. 

I do feel there is a certain point at which the aggregate inertia of piles and stuff can replace and reduce people in a space, when space imo should privilege people and activity over inert storage. Imo, stuff stored should ideally be driven by the ongoing needs of active projects and not much else. Masses or jumbles of undigested stuff that may or may not function in serious quantities, I think can discourage and intimidate ideation and engagement new projects. Whereas organized stuff - even if that means less stuff - feels more likely to spark engagement and actualization of why any of the stuff is there in the first place. 

David 

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 22:04 Liz Henry via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Hey, lizzard from Noisebridge here, just to say that no, we also have a fairly horrible e-waste problem and not enough people are helping with it. I want to get rid of the giant e-waste bin that we have because it fills up, overflows, no one but me has dealt with it for months and we have like shelves and shelves and giant piles of increasingly unloved broken stuff. 

I have been putting some of it out on the curb and paying junk haulers to take it to e-waste. Trash warriors has been very helpful and seems like a good company for this. 

But too much of it, we keep because someone thinks it may be an interesting project for someone someday or have some value or they hate to think of the waste. But it's so much work to move it out.  And every time I do someone is upset about some part of it. 

 I'm just here to support being a little harsher on hoarding behaviors because I believe we need to clear space --- physically and mentally --- for new people and ideas and projects. We won't find out what those new things will be, if the space is overdetermined into a giant nostalgia pile. Make room for making!!! 

 Maybe there's also a place in our world for a giant warehouse full of weird electronic scrap!!! Like urban ore but for hacker space folks.  But that isn't what I want the primary purpose of noisebridge to be.... 

My 2 cents. 

Lizzard 



On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 4:13 PM Joule Munic via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Yar: I think a lot of it just comes from random people who see sudo room as a place to “donate” electronics that they no longer need.

I suspect the laser came from a Berkeley lab. I didn’t know it was dangerous as I was raised to believe UV-A just tans the skin but according to this 2020 study no, it was found to be profoundly mutagenic.



Noisebridge had this e waste problem for a while until they made a dedicated spot for e waste which gets regularly emptied —I don’t know by whom.

Presently we have about 5-8 cubic meters of stuff that piled up and should be removed…

-J


>
> On Feb 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Jake via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>
> I'm not in agreement that sudoroom's interaction with e-waste equals cancer,
> but I'm very sorry that you're having to deal with a skin tumor, i'm sure
> that's very stressful.
>
> As for the e-waste at sudoroom, I'm planning to do an e-waste run after a
> session of sorting with another sudoer, within the next two weeks.
>
> I did recently help fix and sell the fridge and earned sudoroom $210 while
> clearing up some space.  I have also been putting hours of work into sorting
> ewaste and moving things along and out of the space, every tuesday night.
>
> -jake
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:55 PM Joule Munic via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>> I'm no longer strong enough to keep cleaning up, and some of the e-waste
>>> that shows up is genuinely dangerous, like a UV laser that appears to have
>>> given me vascular tumors.
>>>
>>> Appear benign, but, punching a hole in my genome has really kicked my
>>> survival instinct into high gear and I don't want anything to do with
>>> e-waste anymore.
>>
>> Holy shit, I'm so sorry. That is awful and I don't blame you for stepping
>> back after something like that.
>>
>> Where is all this stuff coming from?
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