If I'm being honest, I think part of the problem is that we put too much responsibility on individuals. I've tried to clean up based on the encouragement to act proactively, but one simple issue is that I didn't know where to find supplies. I couldn't find a trash bag or a broom. And then the next issue is the work of trying to make a good decision about what to discard. It's hard to know what someone will miss, so cleaning up means looking at a small item and imagining all the possible uses it could have, judging its worth, and then imagining how strangers might judge its worth, and then doing that dozens of times. That mental workload is huge.

Instead of leaving this up to lots of separate individuals, I think this is a situation that is better resolved by a team or organized volunteers working collaboratively and establishing routine practices that are easy to bring new people into.

I'd like to suggest we organize a facilities group that can talk and meet and work together to find and obtain the supplies we need and make good decisions as a group instead.

Andrew R Gross, (he/him)

412.657.5332 - shrad.org

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 11:45 AM Lucas Gonze via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:

For computer+keyboard work I find the upstairs is sparse enough to get in the right frame of mind.
On Jun 28, 2022, at 10:37 AM, sunjam--- via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
It has been this way for many years. It is always difficult to keep such a space clean or organized, especially voluntarily.

On 6/28/22 09:38, Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss wrote:
I'm happy as long as you're finding a good environment to work, but I'd also like to try to improve sudoroom to make it as fertile for creative productivity as possible. Can you elaborate on what qualities you find make working at a bar productive? Are any of these things that can be ported into somewhere like Sudoroom?

I also want to confess that I actually can't work in Sudoroom because of the mess. I've felt self conscious about admitting this since I joined, but I've gotta come clean: I can't actually work in sudoroom. I would describe it as hoarded, and I don't think I'll be able to ever work there unless we aggressively declutter.

Andrew R Gross, (he/him)

412.657.5332 - shrad.org

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:33 AM romy via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:

I have been having a hard time getting creative work done in hackerspaces lately, as I've mentioned. There always seems to be an agenda completely unrelated to doing cool stuff when I am there, so it's a relief to do cool stuff!

Maybe the creative spaces can exist outside of the hackrrspace, in bars?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/miromi/52152142782/in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/miromi/52153391649/in/photostream/

It would be cool to return hackerspaces to places where people can be creative again!
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