Why not just ask the messy groups to clean up first? Kindness and diplomacy can go further. Give the messy group some time to tidy up and move on.

If it’s a real dysfunctional group that ignores multiple clean-up requests, then some sort of action by Omni could be taken.

-Kent
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From: Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>
Reply-To: Jake Watters <typeinthenumber@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:35 AM
To: <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal

Hi Sudoroom,

THIS IS IMPORTANT!

The following proposal was brought to the delegate's meeting a couple of weeks
ago, and tonight in the meeting it was discussed.

Since I had not been attending delegates meetings for some time, I failed to
forward this proposal to this list so that sudoroom could discuss our position
on it.

Since I am a Sudoroom member, I voiced my position through our delegate (which
is me) that I am against giving a committee the power to levy fines against
omni collectives/tenants/people, especially since we have not tried a process
of simple communication between a cleaning collective and representatives of
collectives.

Ultimately the other Omni delegates felt strongly about passing the proposal,
but they were willing to remove the provision giving the new Committee the
ability to "impose a monetary penalty" on groups or individuals they determined
were guilty of being messy.  The proposal was partially passed as seen here:

https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2022/09/15_Delegates#cleanliness
yar: if we approve the proposal but delay the fine enforcement until after our
      october 6 meeting, and require another affirmative consensus decision on
      october 6 to give them that fine enforcement power?
jake: is ok with that
CONSENSUS: YES (CCL/Patrik ANV/Silver SUDOROOM/Jake FNB/Helen CLP/Billy
MOP/Jacqi)
ABSTAIN: (SUDOMESH/Camber)
BLOCK: (none), PASSES!

I personally think it's unreasonable to trust a newly formed Committee with
the power to, for example, determine that Sudoroom is too messy and issue
"fines" of $50 per day until they feel that we have satisfied their standard,
and I'm glad that the other delegates were willing to remove this provision
even though they were technically capable of overriding sudoroom's objections.

This provision is set to be reintroduced at the Delegate's meeting on OCTOBER
6TH and Sudoroom needs to discuss our position, in order for our delegate to
represent us at that meeting.

Please see the link below for the proposed text of the new Committee (same link
is in the meeting notes above) and discuss the provision that's slated for
October 6th Delegate's meeting.

-jake

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 06:08:55 +0000
From: deskhandle <deskhandle@protonmail.com>
To: consensus <consensus@lists.omnicommons.org>
Subject: [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal

https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/GcTDiTZqA3ao5+6hbaAuobdc/

At the delegate's meeting tonight, we discussed a proposal formulated by the
Events team which is linked above. This is a draft proposal and instructions
for how to suggest edits are on top of the doc. Please do not edit the content
directly.

In short, it exists to create a new committee which will oversee the
cleanliness of the space, design and implement new systems to do so, including
a monetary penalty for any space left out of order for both shared spaces and
tenant spaces. If you're able to be an active and dedicated participant in that
committee, please join us on Slack.

This committee would also be able to spend some amount of Omni funds to clean
the space regularly and keep it at a level of cleanliness that must be
maintained for Omni to exist. Please check this out and get back with any
thoughts, concerns, suggestions before it's voted on at the next delegate's
meeting.

Billy
Community Liberation Programs
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