Downtown Denver has a public area “the 16th street mall” with large pedestrian walkways and Bus only transport. The frequency of buses (and the fact that they set a speed limit of ~15-20 mph) means that it’s extremely walkable and safe with plenty of room for bikes.
Having the buses there really just makes it easier to hop on — you can be finishing your latte at a cafe and walk over to the bus stop when you see it coming.
Eric
On Mar 1, 2022, at 17:19, mark burdett via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>> why aim for that solution? it's a big step in the right direction, and
>> having a bus go through gives the same access to the place to people who are
>> too old or immobile to get there by biking or whatever means us young
>> healthy folks have.
>>
>> as for ambulances and fire trucks driving on non-roads...there will
>> invariably be obstacles on those paths making passage impossible, that's
>> something that we don't have to think about since we don't do those kinds of
>> emergency jobs.
>>
>
> You realize I come from a country that's sorta known for being good at
> bike/pedestrian friendly infrastructure design? and I'm telling you I've
> never seen this sort of thing. There are other ways of dealing with access,
> such as having the bus intersect the pedestrian only area every couple of
> blocks. The bus doesn't stop on every block normally anyway. Obviously
> impeding emergency traffic by putting obstacles in their paths should still
> be illegal. I don't see why that would be different for a pedestrian area.
> If you ever visit my home town we can walk down the main street which is
> implemented exactly like this. I'm also not sure why bikes should be
> allowed. Again they can just go one street over.
>
> Talk to Sierk if you want more info on how to do good pedestrian-friendly
> street design. He has actually studied this stuff in depth. He'll also tell
> you all about why the telegraph bike lane situation near Omni is flawed.
you guys should definitely join the committees where these designs are debated.
I'm guessing that the city has some meeting where the only participants are
contractors who have drawn up something they'd like to build, and that none of
them have been to europe.
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