Jake, I don't think you understand the gravity of what happened last night.

CLP brought in like 6 leaders of Palestinian Youth Movement to
directly speak to their concerns about TANC. This served to
demonstrate that the CLP blocks had at least an air of good faith, and
it also gave Rafiq an opportunity to create a maximum spectacle of
Omni's faults - in order to drive wedges between Omni people, Omni and
other CLP members, PYM, the anti-zionist branches of DSA, and TANC,
all at once.

As facilitator I did my best to keep things on topic and moving. But
you gave Rafiq (who uses they/them) exactly what they wanted. You took
the bait, flew off the handle, derailed the meeting, and started broad
fights with PYM folks themselves in which you said plainly dismissive
things about both anti-racism and anti-zionism. This was right after
the delegates were clearly on the record NOT yet removing you as
president (though you did offer to resign), and just as the delegates
(and yes, me as facilitator) were also on the record pressuring a
black woman (Danielle, of CLP and BOGSS) to admit that she did not
have the delegate status she was trying to assert - in stated
solidarity with PYM. Most people present at the meeting saw this
plainly, and tried unsuccessfully to pull you back, but you were deep
in a head trip as usual.

In the call-outs that are sure to follow from local Palestinian orgs,
your name is going to come up, and nobody is going to side with you.

I could have done better as facilitator, and I am sitting with that.
But your choices are also your own, and you have to sit with them too.
You have effectively burned your reputation far and wide, and any
projects that still associate with you, and you don't even seem to
realize it yet.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 10:10 AM Jake Watters <typeinthenumber@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It seems like people want to tone-police me after Yar (as facilitator) platformed and enabled someone she admits was trolling me and manipulating us all, while arguing in bad faith.  Yar knows this and even apologized to me yesterday afternoon for telling me to get lost when I tried to warn her about Rafiq a year ago.
>
> Here's Yar calling him out for "coming down hardest on the BIPOC you're in conflict with, putting some of our most vulnerable community members on wide blast, replicating white supremist dynamics - apparently for no reason except they threaten your monopoly on speaking for racial justice"
>
> https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2023-September/004018.html
>
> Rather than looking at this meeting as "wow, Jake is really yelling at this guy who's accusing him of things" I encourage everyone to learn more about Rafiq and try to understand why I would be so upset that he's literally trying to destroy Omni.  And I don't know who "Autonomous" is but I know that I have put in a TON of work over the years to hold Omni together, and I don't appreciate being written off because I counterattacked someone in a mismanaged meeting.  If you have time to review my part of the meeting, maybe you can also make time to research who I was dealing with.
>
> Yeah I get it, nobody likes contentious meetings.  The alternatives are that we all stand up to people like Rafiq and his enablers (including Yar) or we give up and lose Omni to them.  If people don't see how clear that is then I am super eager to answer questions.
>
> -Jake
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 09:43 Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
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>> I have been following this thread in addition to other threads relating to acceptance of TANC membership in the Omni collective.
>>
>> Regarding recalling Jake as the Sudo Room delegate, I support this. Sudo Room needs a delegate that is level-headed and avoids interjecting personal views that do not necessarily reflect the views of the Sudo Room collective. If Jake were to remain as the delegate it would imply that Sudo Room as a collective shares the same viewpoint as Jake and believes that Jake's behavior is appropriate. I can say that I do not share Jake's views and behaviour in the least and am embarrassed by his actions at recent Omni delegate meetings.
>>
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>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:03 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
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>>> But in the absence of people controlling themselves, the best we can do as an org is to set clear boundaries and then clearly name when they're crossed, and by who, and how.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile the only way people can change is if they're told clearly and unambiguously what they did. Hints don't go very far when they could be interpreted to mean multiple things or multiple people.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 2:31 AM Muirén Ní Sídach via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
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>>>> Like trying to herd cats. These are adults, and shouldn't need to be asked to behave as such. Both the Sudo Room and Omni Commons meetings were sobering experiences for me.
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