>>> What arguments could you make to convince a "flat earther" (one whe believes the earth is flat) to support the reality of a round earth?
<think>
Okay, so I need to figure out how to convince someone who thinks the Earth is flat, sometimes called a "flat earther," to believe it's actually round. That
sounds like a tough one because flat Earthers often argue against things that are commonly accepted as happening on a spherical planet.

First, maybe I should think about what makes something round versus flat. If we can present multiple arguments from different angles that support the round
Earth, it could make their flatness argument weaker. For example, how do satellites stay in orbit if they're going around a sphere?

Maybe bring up historical events or natural phenomena that only happen on a spherical surface, like ships disappearing under the horizon from a distance. That's
something people often confuse with flat Earthers because it seems too strange.

Also, comparing it to something like satellites orbiting the Earth, which is clearly spherical, could help. Satellites are in constant motion around our home
planet, so that supports a round Earth.

I should also consider how more modern technology shows the Earth's curvature, making their flatness argument less convincing. And maybe highlight that even
scientists have theories about dark matter and dark energy affecting gravity locally, supporting a spherical universe.

Overall, by presenting multiple lines of evidence and explaining why flat Earthers don't account for these observations, I can make their case stronger.
</think>

To convince someone who believes the Earth is flat (a "flat earther") to adopt a spherical perspective, you can present multiple lines of evidence that support a
round Earth. Here are several arguments:

1. **Satellites in Orbit**: Satellites are always in motion around our home planet and require precise orbital calculations. Their movement is consistent with
being on the surface of a sphere.

2. **Historical Natural Phenomena**: Many natural phenomena appear odd when viewed from a flat perspective, such as ships disappearing under the horizon (horizon
effect) or the disappearance of objects at sea.

3. **Geocentric Systems**: Ancient astronomy, like the Ptolemaic system, used flat Earth models to explain celestial movements, which were later corrected with
spherical geology.

4. **Dark Matter and Dark Energy**: The evidence supporting dark matter (proportional to visible mass) and dark energy (causing cosmic expansion) suggests a
large, spherical mass distribution that doesn't appear round from our perspective.

By explaining how flat Earthers overlook these points and present alternative theories for the same phenomena, you can counter their claims.

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On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 3:09 PM Cere Misc <cere.misc@gmail.com> wrote:
Noice.  But what you can actually do with that, is the question.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2025, 2:35 PM Jake Watters <typeinthenumber@gmail.com> wrote:
you can download an entire AI using ollama script that can run on a regular decent computer!

curl -fsSL https://ollama.com/install.sh | sh
ollama pull deepseek-r1:1.5b

On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 3:14 AM Cere Misc via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
I also don't see why we couldn't just use Google cloud, etc.  I mean I get that it's less diy pure and all, but technically I don't know why it would be an issue.

On Tue, Feb 4, 2025, 5:58 PM Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
I have a private cloud of Orange PI 5s, each with 16GB of RAM. By using techniques like model pruning, quantization, knowledge distillation with smaller batches, layer-wise training, and using techniques like gradient accumulation, it is possible to effectively train a smaller model while leveraging the knowledge from the larger model, even with limited memory available.

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:04 PM Miguel Vargas <unroar@gmail.com> wrote:
What are you going to do with it? The full 670B param Q8 quantization model needs a monster server to run it on because of the required RAM. The cheapest I've seen is this guy who says he got it running on a $6,000 build but it only gets about 6 tokens/second, https://x.com/carrigmat/status/1884244369907278106 . If you want to make it fast you'd have to try to load the model into GPU memory which is going to cost literally 100s of thousands of dollars.



On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 2:16 PM Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the Deep Seek R1 base model and then make it available to Sudo Room members to make additional copies? Noisebridge has considerable bandwidth and perhaps they could download the 700GB model.

Downloading 700GB from my ISP would probably not work, but copying the model to a 1TB SSD would work. 

Here's the Deep Seek R1 base model on Huggingface:
 
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