For what it's worth, I felt that the "proposal" that PP made was utterly lacking in technical details. At no point did it suggest "handing over the building" to PP. And they did mention keeping all the existing delegates structure. It's really not clear to me whether they would come in as yet another members collective, as an events and building management team, or what. 

It also was not clear to me how much they are willing to "live and let live", being alongside other organizations in the same building that have very different priorities or views on revolution etc. 

Patrik

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 1:24 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Paige I think it's fair to say that PP's representative is the same person
we're talking about, who is an agent of the Iranian Government and a defender
of the Iranian Regime / Morality Police.  The fact that there are surely other
people involved with the organization who are not necessarily involved with or
even in 100% agreement with that political perspective does not change the
fact that the basis of the organization (and the position of those in power in
that organization) are incompatible with Omni and Sudoroom politics.

Please see this email about People's Programs to our list:
https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/PVJG475TRPHTXXNF22QEWGX7DZO5XX2R/

I want to be clear that I vote for Sudoroom to block considering PP or CLP
from participating in Omni, or at least block the proposal they've made.  I
think others have expressed the same sentiment but we should discuss it at the
meeting tonight.

thank you
-jake

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023, Paige P via sudo-discuss wrote:

> Also Edwinsaurus, please dont be patronizing to people putting their all
> into trying to keep this project going.
>
>
> Also point of clarification, 1 of 2 of PP's founder/chairpeople, works for
> PressTV. How baked Iranian regime support is into PP membership is not
> known. Im not trying to diminish this concern, but lets not overdo our
> accusations.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 12:03 PM Jake Watters <typeinthenumber@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Edwin I wish you wouldn't write quite this way to this list, even though I
>> agree with your point in principle.
>>
>> I know I may have set a bad example in some of my messages to Yar but the
>> wording and theme of your message really doesn't seem appropriate.  Please
>> help keep this list non-gross.
>>
>> Also Yar has already acknowledged in another email that PP is not a good
>> fit for us (literally an employee of PressTV)
>>
>> -jake
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 11:38 Edwinsaurus <plutosaurus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Yar, I don't think "passing the baton to them (people's programs) is
>>> a wise idea.  Getting a good vibe when looking into someone's eyes at an
>>> event may work sometimes when deciding if we should sleep with them, but
>>> there is a lot more at stake here and any future partners need to be
>>> thoroughly vetted.  Agree?  Keep looking.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:49 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This was an explicit death wish and nonconsensual photography
>>>>> Why would you expect the victim to come forward for mediation?
>>>>
>>>> She already has, and we are working to resolve this conflict. There is
>>>> no death wish. The main issues here are fears and tensions among local
>>>> black, iranian and palestinian communities, and I believe justice can be
>>>> arrived at with patience and understanding.
>>>>
>>>>> they will put it toward a charitable purpose, such as low-income
>>>> housing
>>>>
>>>> So you'd rather see the building knocked down, than share it with PP?
>>>> Are we that petty??
>>>>
>>>> PP made a great proposal with significant overtures and concessions to
>>>> us. It's legally very open-ended. This is an opportunity for Jesse to write
>>>> a counter-proposal/MOU with fine print giving protections & guarantees to
>>>> us and the building, while still honoring everything they explicitly asked
>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly disagree with some of PP's politics, but unlike CLP, these
>>>> are honest people grounded in community with long-standing local ties. They
>>>> live here, use their real names, don't hide behind anonymous protonmails or
>>>> sock puppets. Unlike CLP, they have a genuine desire to use restorative
>>>> justice to resolve petty disputes, rather than just use politics as an
>>>> excuse to treat people like shit. Unlike CLP, our differences can be
>>>> resolved with time and good faith.
>>>>
>>>> CLP are assholes, and CLP definitely wanted to bring in PP for
>>>> ideological reasons. PP also took the CLP lies at face value, boosted them,
>>>> and came in hot on us. This was bad judgement, but doesn't mean conspiracy.
>>>> Frankly I don't blame them for assuming their comrades' post was true, and
>>>> if it was, then we'd have deserved it.
>>>>
>>>> Of all the options I've seen so far, PP is by far the best. They're not
>>>> perfect, but nobody is. When I look into folks' eyes at their People's
>>>> Breakfast program, I see a large community of wonderful radical folks who
>>>> are ready to do hard work and take ownership of something big. I see us 10
>>>> years ago. I would feel good passing the baton to them.
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