On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 9:30 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
presently Israel is starving 2.2 million people to death inside a concentration camp, and they set up a fake "food distribution site" and shoot to kill anyone who approaches it.

I was really hoping this "anti apartheid" proposal would be able to go through more easily and I'm extremely disappointed in what's happening here.

-jake

On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:37 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
I support us doing the Apartheid-Free Communities pledge.

Aside: This thread brings up a good question of how do we decision-make?

I looked at the wiki to see if there was any old protocol. There's this page that looks just like a brainstorming page: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/decisions

Also there's our bylaws, which have been newly made: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws. We can have our internal way of doing things, but I would feel more comfortable if we had our bylaws match what we do as closely as possible so that we can confidently make decisions. And I think our bylaws as is are a good starting point: My understanding is our bylaws allow for a vote on things via ballot by members. Quorum for the vote is 7 people, and the decision is made by majority vote.

SECTION 12. ACTION BY WRITTEN BALLOT WITHOUT A MEETING
  • (a) Any action which may be taken at any regular or special meeting of members may be taken without a meeting if the corporation distributes a written ballot to every member entitled to vote on the matter. The ballot and any related material may be sent by electronic transmission and responses may be returned to the corporation by electronic transmission. The ballot shall set forth the proposed action, provide an opportunity to specify approval or disapproval of any proposal, and provide a reasonable time within which to return the ballot to the corporation.
  • (b) Approval by written ballot pursuant to this section shall be valid only when the number of votes cast by ballot within the time period specified equals or exceeds the quorum required to be present at a meeting authorizing the action, and the number of approvals equals or exceeds the number of votes that would be required to approve at a meeting at which the total number of votes cast was the same as the number of votes cast by ballot.
  • (c) Ballots shall indicate the number of responses needed to meet the quorum requirement and, with respect to ballots other than for the election of directors, shall state the percentage of approvals necessary to pass the measure submitted. Ballots must specify the time by which the ballot must be received in order to be counted.
  • (d) A written ballot may not be revoked.

SECTION 5. QUORUM FOR MEETINGS

A quorum of the Members shall consist of at least seven (7) Members of the Corporation in good standing as of the date of the vote. The members present at a duly called and held meeting at which a quorum is initially present may continue to do business notwithstanding the loss of a quorum at the meeting due to a withdrawal of members from the meeting provided that any action taken after the loss of a quorum must be approved by at least a majority of the members required to constitute a quorum.



On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 4:10 PM imogen via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of signing because I think
that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious issue
and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions.

On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
> if there are no objections can we go ahead and sign it?
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss
> <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>
>> Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the Apartheid-Free Communities
>> pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts.
>>
>> === We should sign as soon as possible ===
>>
>> Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but real
>> way, so we should sign it as soon as possible.
>>
>> === Our obligations ===
>>
>> Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an
>> organization, by signing the pledge.
>>
>> --- Items 1-3 ---
>>
>>> WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and
>>> equality for the Palestinian people and all people
>>>
>>> WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry,
>>> discrimination, and oppression
>>>
>>> WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community
>>
>> These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so
>> (re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we
>> operate.
>>
>> --- Item 4 ---
>>
>>> WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all support to Israel's
>>> Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation.
>>
>> Here are some ways we can uphold this promise.
>>
>> - Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below,
>> just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps
>> uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our elected
>> officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It
>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It
>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public
>> consciousness around Palestine."
>>
>> - Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the
>> Apartheid-Free Communities logo.
>>
>> - Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by
>> organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid
>> regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation."
>>
>> - Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, book
>> chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the space.
>>
>> === Background on the campaign ===
>>
>> This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the American
>> Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find some
>> steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page
>> (https://apartheid-free.org/about/).
>>
>> All the listed steering committee members are Christian or Unitarian
>> organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag.
>>
>> On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to include
>> more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a good
>> number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay Area
>> chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace.
>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last
>> week just
>>>> three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be
>> seen in the
>>>> meeting notes:
>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings
>>>>
>>>> Here's a proposed agenda:
>>>> * catch up on new membership applications
>>>> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its
>> own 501(c)3
>>>> * the volunteer effort of updating our membership list
>>>> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have
>> forgotten to
>>>> pay dues
>>>> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See
>> below for
>>>> more info
>>>>
>>>> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM?
>>>> -jake
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org
>>>> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM
>>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid
>> Free
>>>> Communities Campaign
>>>> To: sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders,
>>>>
>>>> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I
>> say this in
>>>> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but
>> have never been
>>>> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a
>> proposal that
>>>> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community!
>>>>
>>>> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine
>> Solidarity Campaign.
>>>> As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is our moral
>> obligation
>>>> to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its genocide
>> in Gaza, and
>>>> its increasing violent seizure of land in the West Bank. All
>> this is paid
>>>> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly funding the
>> Israeli
>>>> government to the tune of $35 billion a year.
>>>>
>>>> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian
>> people’s human
>>>> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an
>> Apartheid-Free
>>>> Community.
>>>>
>>>> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United
>> Nations
>>>> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid
>> includes:
>>>>
>>>> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and
>> arbitrary arrest of
>>>> members of a racial group
>>>>
>>>> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of
>> living
>>>> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction
>>>>
>>>> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political,
>> social,
>>>> economic, and cultural fields
>>>>
>>>> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment of
>> Palestinians
>>>> meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment without
>> charges to the
>>>> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals, and schools and
>> cutting
>>>> off food, water, electricity and medical supplies. Palestinians
>> are
>>>> subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems,
>> without freedom
>>>> of movement and economic opportunities.
>>>>
>>>> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the
>> white
>>>> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free
>> Communities Campaign
>>>> is bringing communities together to end apartheid in
>> Israel/Palestine. We
>>>> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across the
>> globe,
>>>> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor
>> unions,
>>>> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become an
>>>> Apartheid-Free Community.
>>>>
>>>> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public
>> support to our
>>>> elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli
>> violence. It
>>>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community.
>> It
>>>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public
>> consciousness
>>>> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take
>> actions, in
>>>> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this effort.
>>>>
>>>> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can
>> support your
>>>> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this campaign.
>>>>
>>>> In Solidarity,
>>>>
>>>> Lo
>>>>
>>>> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and pamphlets
>> you can
>>>> use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the
>> Apartheid-Free
>>>> Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full of
>> great
>>>> resources and educational materials.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Lo *
>>>> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/
>>>>
>>>> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society
>> has
>>>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person
>> on earth.
>>>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is
>> distinct
>>>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal
>> tracts of Black
>>>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but
>> no body
>>>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality
>>>>
>>>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales
>>>>
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