I’m in favor.
It seems like a structurally sensible response to a genuine problem. I don’t see the monetary element as penal: it seems like a reasonable response if an area is unable to limit trash that can worsen the rodent problem to require them to furnish funds to help mitigate the consequence of that.
Also, I’m not concerned about the consequence because I don’t foresee us reaching that point. We have issues with mess, but I think they’re largely internal issues of organization, not the kind of mess that would affect the rest of the building. Also, they seem to be getting a lot better. So if they wanna have this power I don’t mind giving it to them because I don’t plan to ever be on the receiving end of it.
I think this is a recurring theme: the delegates board proposes new powers and people fret over the potential for abuse. It kind of seems like a tempest in a teapot to me. If someone really wants to go powermad I think they would have a very hard time doing it, so it matters little to me what any petty tyrant might conceivably want to be able to do. No one can really force us to give them money, and we rarely even have enough of it for someone to take. And aren’t these the same people who’ve forgiven thousands of dollars of our debt? It seems silly to worry about them financially abusing us. Oh: and also the building might be repossessed in three months.
Ultimately, I just don’t feel strongly about this. But if it’s a big deal to others, I don’t want to dismiss that. Can we suggest a compromise? A limit of $20 per day? Would that be satisfactory to everyone?
I've been coming to Sudoroom since 2017 but my involvement has been more intensive over the past few years. Honestly, cleaning and organizing our space has been really rewarding for me. I feel like the effort I put into making the space better directly correlates with more people showing up each week and becoming Sudoroom members!
So far, I've linked up with two other Sudoroom members and we've agreed to meet up weekly to work on the space. Other Omni members have noticed the improvements and approached me about joining in on weekly maintenance parties. These experiences give me conviction that cooperative action, communication, and peer support are the way to improve both Sudoroom and the Omni itself.
There is obviously still much more work to do, but we've improved so much already! The needed work of cleaning and organizing is not hard per se but it is work that is best shared. I am hopeful that the CAC will ultimately do the sort of community building work that I am doing. I'm working to make Sudoroom the best, most functional, and most welcoming hackerspace it can be! I do this not because I'm being coerced or threatened with fines by some would-be cleanliness enforcer but because I believe in the space, the people, and the mission.
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On Sunday, October 2nd, 2022 at 4:01 PM, Jake via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
> I want to point out that this shy person who wrote this is a sudoroom member
> who has been putting TONS of work into cleaning and organizing sudoroom over
> the past year, including helping me clean up a really nasty rat corner.
>
> -jake
>
> On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, SudoVanta--- via sudo-discuss wrote:
>
> > The proposal of fine-levying powers for the newly formed Cleanliness Accountability Committee is ill-conceived. Levying, or threatening to levy (symbolic and unenforceable), cash fines against individuals and collectives at the Omni will not bring about cleaner spaces, greater engagement or an atmosphere of collective support among our membership.
> >
> > I am completely in favor of organized cooperative efforts to improve conditions at the Omni. However, the way to accomplish this is through purposeful restorative organization and mutual support, not through the establishment of a penal body charged with surveilling and making judgments against our collectives and their membership.
> >
> > Why not first empower this newly formed group to earnestly apply only nonviolent methods to realize their excellent purpose? Rashly burdening the Cleanliness Accountability Committee with power over others will be effective only in fostering an environment of score-keeping, conflict, and disharmony among the people of the Omni.
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