[sudo-access] keeping front door unlatched for "entry hall building permit"

David Keenan dkeenan44 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 9 21:50:30 PST 2017


Awesome! thank you Patrik!!

Best,
David

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:58 PM Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, the hole in the hallway has been patched.
>
> I couldn't find any of the mudding compound though. If someone knows where
> it is, and slap a layer on there, that would be appreciated. Or you can
> just drop some off in CCL, and I'll get around to it tomorrow or
> Wednesday...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The hole in the hallway is on my list of stuff to fix asap. Just need to
> nail some slats to the studs to make up for the thickness of the wooden
> boards that we cut out. I'll see if I can get on to that today.
>
> Does it needs to be mudded and painted in time for the inspection as well?
> Or is closing up the hole with drywall enough for that?
>
> Patrik
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:33 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Robb - cool. so all the signs that were ordered at least, are mounted?
>
> Joe - CCL's plumbing permit was tipped in to main B permit. Plumbing was
> finalled, but a section of the drywall in the hallway to 48th st was cut
> away to allow me he work, and has yet to be replaced. It's true this area
> is not shown within the area of work on the planset, but, if the inspector
> sees it he won't final it as for ex. holes like this technically pose a
> fire hazard (allows fire to get inside wall.)
>
> In addition I noted a somewhat obvious non compliant light switch behind
> the cafe counter. If the inspector sees this, even though that is also not
> in the area of work, they will also not pass the final. We should fix that
> (should be quick.)
>
> we can always try for a final in spite of the above - judgement call..
>
> Did we get any exterior Accessibility signs up? When I went on Sat to
> panel I didn't see any but maybe I missed them..?
>
> Exterior signs are I believe called out on the Accessibility worksheet I
> linked to earlier and I think also mentioned by an inspector on the job
> card?
>
> Not sure how many prepaid inspections we have left so I was thinking we
> may wanna mitigate -
>
> I realize it expires in 3 days right so to the extent we can still prep,
> we should do so soon. Maybe sched an inspection on the 12th?
>
> Best
> David
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:43 AM joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:
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> Where is this hole you are refering to.  Our permit
> is for the rear, west, wall and 8ft of the North wall
> abutting the west wall.
> joe
>
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 2:51 AM, David Keenan wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Has all the Accessibility signage been mounted, do you know?
>
> We need to close up the hole in the hallway wall as well before scheduling
> the final. Is anyone planning on doing that yet?
>
> Best
> David
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:00 PM David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 7pm
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:56 PM joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:
>
> What time will you all be at Omni on Monday.
> joe
>
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:49 PM, David Keenan wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Omg. Thank you all so much for working on this!
>
> (CC'ing Maureen & Yar who are planning to meet up with me & Tara Monday,
> to talk about our longer-term accessibility plan).
>
> Fwiw I don't know if the keycard access is ADA-compliant or not. If I had
> to guess, I suspect it is compliant since folks swipe at grocery stores and
> other mandatory-accessible places -- and as long the swipe is not mounted
> too high up, which I don't think it is -- but, I've never looked into that
> specifically so I can't say for. Something to look up.
>
> I can't think of anything non-compliant about having a locked door,
> openable by the electronic / swipe system. IE my understanding is, when the
> card is swiped, the throw is engaged and the door can be opened by just
> pushing down on the handle. The outstanding issue is likely the amount of
> force required to then open the door which last I checked was
> >5lb/pressure.
>
> On this tip BTW I also went over this week and renewed our associated,
> recently expired electrical E permit that I realized would have also
> prevented us from finalling this B permit (I think we forgot to extend the
> electrical with the building permit so it expired, cost to renew: $205) so
> now there is no block in that respect either..
>
> Our new/old E permit for the record: ​
>  E1700088 Elec Permit ext.of E1601588_2017-01-04...
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCWmU1cms3OExCRUE/view?usp=drive_web>
>> Yay, the signs arrived? Joe, that's great! I don't think I ever heard back
> as to whether they were ordered so I'm relieved to hear it -
>
> Re: fulfilling the entryway accessibility requirements in general, first
> it might be a good idea to briefly skim the B permit's accessibility
> worksheet as submitted (quick): ​
>  Accessibility Worksheet - cafe area - FINAL AS ...
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCUllwQ0RaRFppM1E/view?usp=drive_web>
>> Some things on this worksheet we're not gonna do right now, like the
> kickplate for example -- since, even if we have it on hand (which I think
> we do?) installation makes little sense to me at least without the
> automatic opener it's supposed to activate -- while installing a
> nonfunctional button like this would actually open us up to increased
> liability, compared to not having it..
>
> But hopefully the signage will allow us to schedule the final inspection,
> close our sole open complaint and then finally be done with it :)
>
> It should be said though that, since as I understand it, we will now have
> accessibility signage outside advertising the corner door an accessible
> entrance, we are at significantly increased risk of accessibility or code
> complaint, since the corner door is not yet actually legally accessible.
>
> The most noticeable aspects being: last I checked:
>
> ..still >5lb opening pressure for the wider door,
>
> ..>2% grade in the front landing, and
>
> ..the sidelight door is also very hard to open (i think the closer is
> mis-adjusted for that smaller door)
>
> Therefore, IMO with the signs up we really do have to make that door
> actually accessible ie install an automatic opener --
>
> Earlier this year, I got a quote on that for materials & labor (primarily
> in order to help Mary Ann prepare for an accessibility grant): ​
>  Platform Lifts & Opener Quote LAS 2016-11-07.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCZkZxRmxEMEdteTQ/view?usp=drive_web>
>> The 'Open Sesame' opener listed in the above quote is $2800 -- half of
> that cost is labor, warranty, code compliance stuff. (The other stuff is to
> e.g. replace our residential platform lift with a commercial one, if the
> one jerry had stored for us is no longer available..) I do hear these
> openers break down all the time so it might be worth it but we should think
> about getting this done IMO.
>
> To this end I would propose if we have any extra funds (such as from the
> excess ~$30K from the $1M stock donation?), we have these contractors out
> to install the opener and then we no longer need to worry about having a
> genuinely accessible front entrance since it will provide equivalent
> accommodation re: the opening force & exterior grade.
>
> my 2c -
>
> Thank you Joe!!
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, joseph liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:
>
> yes  Jake, that is a very nice option to have.  Robb does not think
> we need to do that for our inspection next week . What do you think David?
> I'll check further and let you  Jake, know if we  need to use that option.
> Thanks so much
> joe
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Jake wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> do you mean you want the door to remain unlocked for certain periods of
> time?
>
> we can program the computer to simply keep the latch activated for hours
> at a
> time, that's easy.
>
> -jake
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, joseph liesner wrote:
>
> I am about to start hanging the access signs required
>
> to close out our entry hall building permit.
>
> I can only assume that for the inspection the access
>
> door on the corner of Shattuck and 48th should open
>
> just by holding the lever handle down then pulling
>
> (no key or card needed).
>
> Please let me know how to make this possible.
>
> Thanks
>
> joe
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