[sudo-access] door to sudoroom/ccl

[David Keenan]

+1 for what Kaje said if anyone in the Building WG wants to start
coordinating this?

Jake, is the door still nearby?

Best,
David

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:53 AM Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a door before we bother
> putting a
>
> card reader.
>
>
>
> the door that had been there was removed, because it swung inwards, which
> is
>
> unacceptable for an emergency exit.  The door needs to be re-installed
> with the
>
> hinges swinging outward, so that in case an emergency happens in sudo/ccl
>
> people can just flood outward.
>
>
>
> after the door is installed that way, with a panic bar (not a regular
> doorknob)
>
> we can install a card reader.
>
>
>
> -jake
>
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you are working on RFID cards any possibility that the entrance to
>
> > sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting access control for
>
> > awhile.
>
> >
>
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>
> >> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago that I think could be made
> into
>
> >> a
>
> >> power door-opener pretty well.
>
> >>
>
> >> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and then be able to show you
> what
>
> >> I
>
> >> mean, and then we can see if it will be good enough for our needs as
> opposed
>
> >> to
>
> >> spending $2800 on a "proper" door opener.
>
> >>
>
> >> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been working on implementing the
> card
>
> >> reader thing for a little while and I think I can add it to the front
> door
>
> >> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess i'll do that first, rather than
>
> >> trying
>
> >> to do a storage closet first?
>
> >>
>
> >> as always, if anyone wants to participate in this process they should
>
> >> definitely jump in, otherwise it's subject to my chaotic schedule.
>
> >>
>
> >> technical questions about making this happen should be sent to the
> access
>
> >> list
>
> >> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably not the building list as it
>
> >> will
>
> >> be a major distraction if we get into the weeds of microcontroller
> boards
>
> >> and
>
> >> door server code...
>
> >>
>
> >> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you ordered and i've been
> working
>
> >> on
>
> >> it~
>
> >>
>
> >> -jake
>
> >>
>
> >> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Hi Jake / access control folks -
>
> >>>
>
> >>> So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we need
> to
>
> >>> install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate &
> hand-height
>
> >>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need to
>
> >>> integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The quote I
> got
>
> >>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open Sesame
>
> >>> Model 233 (brochure
>
> >>> <
> http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>,
>
> >>> spec
>
> >>> sheet <
> http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>),
>
> >>>
>
> >>> made in San Leandro.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's accessibility
>
> >>> plan,
>
> >>> and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID
> system
>
> >>> for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity
> to an
>
> >>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking
> about
>
> >>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA...
> because
>
> >>> of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front
>
> >>> landing,
>
> >>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID systems I
>
> >>> put
>
> >>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area),
> might it
>
> >>> be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the
>
> >>> brochure
>
> >>> they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
>
> >>> authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys
> think?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control
> system
>
> >>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there is
> now
>
> >>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial
>
> >>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards
> getting
>
> >>> this nailed down? Lmk
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause its
> long
>
> >>> overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as accessible
>
> >>> when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability
> issue
>
> >>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny by
>
> >>> the
>
> >>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
>
> >>> And
>
> >>> per building code the front door must be made fully accessible before
> any
>
> >>> other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some
>
> >>> point
>
> >>> an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that
> door..anyhow.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might be
>
> >>> able
>
> >>> to help -
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Best,
>
> >>> David
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
>
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