[mesh-dev] What we learned today

[max b]

Thanks for updating us so quickly with this! I'm just going to ponder out
loud for a little seeing as how we seem to be a bit stuck in the
brainstorming phase of this.

The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the
> hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using
> licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some
> perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost.


Do we think that a data center might allow us to put something on their
roof? FR got away with it for a while with L3 in Mendocino, but it seems
like we'll be likely interfacing with a much busier datacenter

Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport
> (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can
> connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link
> may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost.


Well we are VERY close to the BART line, so in that way we're pretty lucky
:-) Any idea how we follow up with that? Did they suggest any places to
start?


Ok and just one more idea: We're paying around $100/month for our
bi-directional 100mbps connection at omni. That connection regularly gets
used by dozens of people. Would it be feasible to put out a call for people
who can be served by LMI and/or who might have alternative access to 100mps
(symmetric-ish)? We could figure out a way to at least partially subsidize
their connection prices. At that point, we're paying $1/mbps and we'd have
decentralized locations which could potentially improve our range....


On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Alexander Papazoglou <papazoga at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Today April and I spoke with Tim and Chris about our
> problems with obtaining an uplink. The tl;dr version is that
> we have two possibilities for circumventing the last-mile
> shakedown: BART and radio links.
>
> You probably don't need to read the rest. :)
>
> First off, the prices quoted to us for a 1Gbit were fairly
> normal. They are due to the last-mile being neither competitive
> nor transparent. Zayo may still be an option, but getting the
> building wired for fiber may be a huge ordeal and it still might
> be very expensive.
>
> The only workaround may be to find an alternative, cheaper
> route to a data center; IP transit is cheap these days and
> getting cheaper. There are two sources of problems
> here: transport (the connection from our network to a
> data center) and data center internals.
>
> The data centers we have available to us are: "365 Main St."
> in downtown Oakland, Evocative in Emeryville, and then
> things further away such as Hurricane Electric. Unfortunately,
> the AT&T CO near the Omni is probably not useful to us.
> There's a whole lot of cost and complexity involved in getting into a
> data center and it would be nice to avoid paying for co-location.
>
> Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport
> (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can
> connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link
> may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost.
>
> The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the
> hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using
> licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some
> perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost.
>
> We also discussed my idea of attaching fiber to poles, which
> seems to be feasible in theory but probably prohibitively expensive
> for us.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
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