[mesh-dev] What we learned today

[April Glaser]

On 4/12/15 1:37 PM, max b wrote:
> Thanks for updating us so quickly with this! I'm just going to ponder
> out loud for a little seeing as how we seem to be a bit stuck in the
> brainstorming phase of this.
>
>     The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the
>     hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using
>     licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some
>     perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost.
>
>
> Do we think that a data center might allow us to put something on
> their roof? FR got away with it for a while with L3 in Mendocino, but
> it seems like we'll be likely interfacing with a much busier datacenter

Yes for sure. But we'd have to rent out the roof space additionally and
likely provide all of our own equipment.
>
>     Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport
>     (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can
>     connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link
>     may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost.
>
>
> Well we are VERY close to the BART line, so in that way we're pretty
> lucky :-) Any idea how we follow up with that? Did they suggest any
> places to start?
Yeah, they said they'd be happy to send along an email introduction when
we're ready to inquire.
>
>
> Ok and just one more idea: We're paying around $100/month for our
> bi-directional 100mbps connection at omni. That connection regularly
> gets used by dozens of people. Would it be feasible to put out a call
> for people who can be served by LMI and/or who might have alternative
> access to 100mps (symmetric-ish)? We could figure out a way to at
> least partially subsidize their connection prices. At that point,
> we're paying $1/mbps and we'd have decentralized locations which could
> potentially improve our range.... 
>
Sounds cool ! Others have thoughts?
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Alexander Papazoglou
> <papazoga at gmail.com <mailto:papazoga at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Today April and I spoke with Tim and Chris about our
>     problems with obtaining an uplink. The tl;dr version is that
>     we have two possibilities for circumventing the last-mile
>     shakedown: BART and radio links.
>
>     You probably don't need to read the rest. :)
>
>     First off, the prices quoted to us for a 1Gbit were fairly
>     normal. They are due to the last-mile being neither competitive
>     nor transparent. Zayo may still be an option, but getting the
>     building wired for fiber may be a huge ordeal and it still might
>     be very expensive.
>
>     The only workaround may be to find an alternative, cheaper
>     route to a data center; IP transit is cheap these days and
>     getting cheaper. There are two sources of problems
>     here: transport (the connection from our network to a
>     data center) and data center internals.
>
>     The data centers we have available to us are: "365 Main St."
>     in downtown Oakland, Evocative in Emeryville, and then
>     things further away such as Hurricane Electric. Unfortunately,
>     the AT&T CO near the Omni is probably not useful to us.
>     There's a whole lot of cost and complexity involved in getting into a
>     data center and it would be nice to avoid paying for co-location.
>
>     Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport
>     (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can
>     connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link
>     may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost.
>
>     The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the
>     hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using
>     licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some
>     perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost.
>
>     We also discussed my idea of attaching fiber to poles, which
>     seems to be feasible in theory but probably prohibitively expensive
>     for us.
>
>     Alex
>
>
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