[sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 206
Cyrus Farivar
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Thu Feb 28 09:45:09 PST 2013
FWIW, the Trib's reporter's email is: martz at bayareanewsgroup.com
And no, I don't know him. :-)
-C
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> 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (J.D. Zamfirescu)
> 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anthony Di Franco)
> 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
> 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)
> 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
> 6. Membership dues - payment options! (Tommy York)
> 7. Sudo Room Signage (Eddan Katz)
> 8. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren)
> 9. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren)
> 10. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (hep)
> 11. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
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> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:31:37 -0800
> From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)>
> To: Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york at gmail.com)>
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> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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> I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked
> locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something
> along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".
>
> Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve picked
> locks.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york at gmail.com)> wrote:
>
> > "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
> > is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
> > year, and not all of them involved window smashes."
> >
> > This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
> > window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
> > picking?
> >
> > Mencken would be angry.
> >
> > - tommy
> > -----------------
> > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)>wrote:
> >
> > > more:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's awesome, free press!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"
> > > > > I have ever seen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
> > > > > version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
> > > > > because it's a waste of time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
> > > > > shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
> > > > > picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> > > > >
> > > > > -Rusty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
> > > > > > learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anca
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > -=-=-=-
> > > > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > > > > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > > > > > M: (510) 220-6660
> > > > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rusty Lindgren
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at aya.yale.edu (mailto:di.franco at aya.yale.edu)>
> To: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)>
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> If you knew how many different break-in methods the OPD recognizes, you'd
> have an estimate, then.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)> wrote:
>
> > I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked
> > locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something
> > along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".
> >
> > Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve
> > picked locks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york at gmail.com)> wrote:
> >
> > > "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
> > > is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
> > > year, and not all of them involved window smashes."
> > >
> > > This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
> > > window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
> > > picking?
> > >
> > > Mencken would be angry.
> > >
> > > - tommy
> > > -----------------
> > > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > >
> > > > more:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's awesome, free press!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <
> > > > > rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"
> > > > > > I have ever seen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > > > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
> > > > > > version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
> > > > > > because it's a waste of time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
> > > > > > shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
> > > > > > picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Rusty
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)>wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
> > > > > > > learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anca
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -=-=-=-
> > > > > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > > > > > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > > > > > > M: (510) 220-6660
> > > > > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:
> > > > > > > facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rusty Lindgren
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> To: Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york at gmail.com)>
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> Yo's-
>
> On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
> to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
> Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
>
> OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes:
>
> = A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we
> were up at SudoRoom.
> = Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area.
> = A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today.
> = The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that
> the standard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and
> if no answer, kick the door in. If the resident is away it becomes a
> burglary. If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery
> or worse.
> = As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience
> for people who are polite." A strong lock on a strong door with a weak
> window nearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner
> without the ability to imagine how baddies think.
>
> I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those. As a method of
> committing crimes, lock-picking is obsolete.
>
> And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan's
> office, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event.
> This would be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans
> for protests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed. When I
> lived in New England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked. Protests
> organized by those groups were successful, every time.
>
> Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
> and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
> On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote:
> > "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these
> > days is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40
> > percent last year, and not all of them involved window smashes."
> >
> > This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
> > window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled
> > lock picking?
> >
> > Mencken would be angry.
> >
> > - tommy
> > -----------------
> > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)
> > <mailto:zamfire at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > more:
> >
> > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate
> > <mattsenate at gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > It's awesome, free press!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
> > <rustylindgren at gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
> > "journalism" I have ever seen.
> >
> > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a
> > lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and
> > that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see:
> > http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> >
> > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled
> > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.
> >
> > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts,
> > go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about
> > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is
> > "appalling".
> >
> > -Rusty
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu
> > <anca at techliminal.com <mailto:anca at techliminal.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that
> > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> >
> > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> >
> > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> >
> > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really
> >
> > Anca
> >
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-
> > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > anca at techliminal.com <mailto:anca at techliminal.com>
> > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>
> > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:
> > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rusty Lindgren
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> From: Shawn Lesniak <moderkaka at gmail.com (mailto:moderkaka at gmail.com)>
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> On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:
> >
> > Yo's-
> >
> > On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
> > to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
> > Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
> >
>
> ...
> > Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
> > and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
> >
>
>
> I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
> events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
> reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not
> any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
> class than one of the more privileged class.
>
> -Shawn
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> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:13:20 -0800
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> To: Shawn Lesniak <moderkaka at gmail.com (mailto:moderkaka at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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> Re. Shawn:
>
> In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law
> enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them
> in doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.
>
> What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point
> out that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they
> can send someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. What
> they're going to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool
> mechanical skill. More likely they won't bother, in which case their
> objection can be dismissed as meaningless.
>
> (BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in
> highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear
> tandem" signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams
> dressed up as something cutting-edge.)
>
> As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
> that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
> police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in
> front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young
> black man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class,"
> about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are
> borderline-homeless. A few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs
> that pay decent wages, would be a good thing.
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
> On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:
> > On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:
> > > Yo's-
> > >
> > > On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
> > > to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
> > > Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
> > >
> >
> > ...
> > > Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
> > > and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
> > >
> >
> > I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
> > events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
> > reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not
> > any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
> > class than one of the more privileged class.
> >
> > -Shawn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:31:47 -0800
> From: Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Membership dues - payment options!
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> Hey everyone,
>
> Please pay membership dues when you get a chance. I updated the WePay
> campaign page, so you can again donate money / pay membership dues (with a
> new total in the percentage widget covering February actual and projected
> March), and can collect checks whenever you see me. I live two blocks away,
> so I'm more than happy to just run over if I'm not getting anything done.
>
> At the moment, I'm trying to collect all the payment information, so I can
> develop a member list for February. Paying in advance for March is always
> nice too.
>
> I think we'll be starting a sudo-fund - another, separate sub-listserv -
> soon, which will discuss ideas for funding Sudoroom. Projects, processes,
> the like.
>
> Unrelated, a DJ'd set by one of the founders of Throbbing Gristle:
> https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-15-2
>
> - Tommy
> -----------------
> Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
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> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:13:03 -0800
> From: Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net (mailto:eddan at clear.net)>
> To: artmurmur at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:artmurmur at lists.sudoroom.org), sudo-discuss
> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Sudo Room Signage
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> We should put up signage for Sudo Room on the Broadway side of the building.
>
> We've already asked George about whether it would be OK to put it on the arched awning above the 2141 Broadway door and have the go ahead.
>
> Apparently, if we use the same white on blue format, there are no additional costs. Other colored designs would require Sudo room being registered with the city & have to take part in paying for insurance for the building (albeit proportional).
>
> Does anyone have the tools necessary to make the stencil? Anyone up for painting over the stencil in the bear future? In fact, if it's trivial to do - might make sense to try and get it done by Art Murmur tomorrow night.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com (http://eddan.com)
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:28:30 -0800
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco at aya.yale.edu (mailto:di.franco at aya.yale.edu)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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> Actually, based on their argument it isn't logical at all, because they
> don't promote gun education as a bad thing. If they are going to promote
> this as bad. How many murders involved skilled gun use?
>
> It's totally morally inconsistent, and also is something legal you can do
> at a professional trade school. Tool teaches a trade and by the logic of
> threat, it's self-defense(i.e. lock-pick forensics, getting better locks,
> knowing what to look for and all).
>
> I honestly can't think of anything more fraudulent in terms of journalism
> than this.
>
> -Rusty
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Anthony Di Franco
> <di.franco at aya.yale.edu (mailto:di.franco at aya.yale.edu)>wrote:
>
> > If you knew how many different break-in methods the OPD recognizes, you'd
> > have an estimate, then.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)>wrote:
> >
> > > I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked
> > > locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something
> > > along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".
> > >
> > > Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve
> > > picked locks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > >
> > > > "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
> > > > is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
> > > > year, and not all of them involved window smashes."
> > > >
> > > > This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
> > > > window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
> > > > picking?
> > > >
> > > > Mencken would be angry.
> > > >
> > > > - tommy
> > > > -----------------
> > > > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510
> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com (mailto:zamfire at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > more:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's awesome, free press!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <
> > > > > > rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
> > > > > > > "journalism" I have ever seen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > > > > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
> > > > > > > version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
> > > > > > > because it's a waste of time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
> > > > > > > shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
> > > > > > > picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Rusty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)>wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
> > > > > > > > learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anca
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > -=-=-=-
> > > > > > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > > > > > > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > > > > > > > M: (510) 220-6660
> > > > > > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:
> > > > > > > > facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> >
> >
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>
> --
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>
> Rusty Lindgren
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> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:30:21 -0800
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
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> +1 for both of you... This is a skilled trade. The police don't show up at
> lock-smith schools. Just relabel the training skilled trade workshops.
> Done.
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>wrote:
>
> >
> > Re. Shawn:
> >
> > In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law
> > enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them in
> > doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.
> >
> > What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point out
> > that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they can send
> > someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. What they're going
> > to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool mechanical skill.
> > More likely they won't bother, in which case their objection can be
> > dismissed as meaningless.
> >
> > (BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in
> > highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear tandem"
> > signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams dressed up as
> > something cutting-edge.)
> >
> > As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
> > that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
> > police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in
> > front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black
> > man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3
> > of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A
> > few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would
> > be a good thing.
> >
> > -G.
> >
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:
> >
> > On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:
> >
> > Yo's-
> >
> > On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
> > to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
> > Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
> > and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
> >
> > I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
> > events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
> > reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not
> > any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
> > class than one of the more privileged class.
> >
> > -Shawn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp (mailto:listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp)://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss (http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss)
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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> Cheers,
>
> Rusty Lindgren
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> From: hep <dis at gruntle.org (mailto:dis at gruntle.org)>
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> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
> > that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
> > police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in
> > front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black
> > man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3
> > of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A
> > few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would
> > be a good thing.
> >
>
>
> What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist, classist, and
> privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right here.
>
> -hep
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> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> To: hep <dis at gruntle.org (mailto:dis at gruntle.org)>
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>
> Re. Hep:
>
> Rather than just sling a sentence-full of unsupported ad-hominems (clue:
> ad-homs = you lose), how'bout unpacking that nonsense and spelling it out?
>
> Assertion: gang violence kills more young black men than police do.
> That's an assertion of fact. If you don't like it, you're welcome to
> try to disprove it. Go get some numbers.
>
> Question: where are the protests over gang violence? The question
> stands. Show us a mass protest at a known gang house after a
> particularly egregious shooting.
>
> A young black guy I knew was killed in a drive-by. Ever hear of Tupac
> Shakur? I was one of his 2nd Engs. at Starlight Studios in Richmond.
> He was ferociously brilliant. Murdered at age 25.
>
> "Privileged": about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed and many are
> borderline homeless. Admittedly that's a rough estimate. But if you
> don't like my numbers, get some better ones.
>
> Full-time jobs at decent wages would be a good thing: What don't you
> like about that? Gandhi once said "Western civilization would be a good
> thing." I say worker solidarity would be a good thing. But you can't
> have worker solidarity until people have work. A job at decent wages
> isn't a privilege, it's a human right. And hackers picking up more
> trade-skills is also a good thing.
>
> Let's take this to private email so we don't digress the list.
>
> -G.
>
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
> On 13-02-28-Thu 8:35 AM, hep wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)
> > <mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged
> > class": that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in
> > Oakland isn't police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the
> > outraged protests in front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't
> > an abstraction: a young black man I knew was killed in a
> > drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3 of SudoRoom
> > members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A few
> > more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages,
> > would be a good thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist,
> > classist, and privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right
> > here.
> >
> > -hep
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