[sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class

Thu Feb 28 12:31:08 PST 2013

No one is really inviting a detective, right? there are lots of reasons not
to. like, I assume many of us have a policy of only talking to LE w/ our
lawyers..

The "fundamentals of armed robbery" workshop suggested in the articles
could be quite informative! "fundamentals of computer fraud and abuse"
could be interesting too, although according to
https://data.oaklandnet.com/Public-Safety/CrimeWatch-Maps-Past-90-Days/ym6k-rx7a
there
is quite a lot of robbery going on, hardly any "ACCESS COMPUTER/ALTER/ETC
DATA:DEVISE SCHEME/ETC DEFRAUD/ETC"

--mark B.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
> Yo's-
>
> On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective to
> hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc.  "Just say
> Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
>
> OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes:
>
> = A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we were
> up at SudoRoom.
> = Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area.
> = A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today.
> = The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that the
> standard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and if no
> answer, kick the door in.  If the resident is away it becomes a burglary.
> If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery or worse.
> = As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience for
> people who are polite."  A strong lock on a strong door with a weak window
> nearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner without the
> ability to imagine how baddies think.
>
> I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those.  As a method of
> committing crimes, lock-picking is obsolete.
>
> And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan's
> office, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event.  This
> would be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans for
> protests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed.  When I lived in
> New England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked.  Protests organized by
> those groups were successful, every time.
>
> Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov, and
> want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
> On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote:
>
> "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
> is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
> year, and not all of them involved window smashes."
>
>  This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
> window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
> picking?
>
>  Mencken would be angry.
>
>  - tommy
>  -----------------
> Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> more:
>>
>>
>> http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It's awesome, free press!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh dear gawd.  This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"
>>>> I have ever seen.
>>>>
>>>> Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
>>>> school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
>>>> version of that?  (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
>>>>
>>>>   Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
>>>> because it's a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>>  Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
>>>> shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
>>>> picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
>>>>
>>>>  -Rusty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
>>>>> learning how to pick locks this weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
>>>>>
>>>>>  Here is Oakland Local's response:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really
>>>>>
>>>>>  Anca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -=-=-=-
>>>>> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>  Rusty Lindgren
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
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