[sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class

Thu Feb 28 13:13:29 PST 2013

I can come and act like a detective..  I have no experience, but I
have picked some locks before. Haha this thread is amusing me today,
thanks
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, mark burdett <mark at 510pen.org> wrote:
> No one is really inviting a detective, right? there are lots of reasons not
> to. like, I assume many of us have a policy of only talking to LE w/ our
> lawyers..
>
> The "fundamentals of armed robbery" workshop suggested in the articles could
> be quite informative! "fundamentals of computer fraud and abuse" could be
> interesting too, although according to
> https://data.oaklandnet.com/Public-Safety/CrimeWatch-Maps-Past-90-Days/ym6k-rx7a
> there is quite a lot of robbery going on, hardly any "ACCESS
> COMPUTER/ALTER/ETC DATA:DEVISE SCHEME/ETC DEFRAUD/ETC"
>
> --mark B.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yo's-
>>
>> On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective to
>> hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc.  "Just say
>> Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
>>
>> OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes:
>>
>> = A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we were
>> up at SudoRoom.
>> = Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area.
>> = A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today.
>> = The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that the
>> standard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and if no
>> answer, kick the door in.  If the resident is away it becomes a burglary.
>> If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery or worse.
>> = As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience for
>> people who are polite."  A strong lock on a strong door with a weak window
>> nearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner without the
>> ability to imagine how baddies think.
>>
>> I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those.  As a method of
>> committing crimes, lock-picking is obsolete.
>>
>> And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan's
>> office, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event.  This
>> would be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans for
>> protests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed.  When I lived in New
>> England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked.  Protests organized by those
>> groups were successful, every time.
>>
>> Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov, and
>> want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
>>
>> -G.
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote:
>>
>> "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days is
>> the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
>> year, and not all of them involved window smashes."
>>
>> This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
>> window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
>> picking?
>>
>> Mencken would be angry.
>>
>> - tommy
>> -----------------
>> Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> more:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's awesome, free press!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
>>>> <rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear gawd.  This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"
>>>>> I have ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
>>>>> school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
>>>>> version of that?  (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
>>>>>
>>>>>  Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
>>>>> because it's a waste of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
>>>>> shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
>>>>> picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rusty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
>>>>>> learning how to pick locks this weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is Oakland Local's response:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anca
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -=-=-=-
>>>>>> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
>>>>>> anca at techliminal.com
>>>>>> M: (510) 220-6660
>>>>>> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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