[sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable
Michael Scroggins
michaeljscroggins at gmail.com
Thu Feb 28 18:43:11 PST 2013
I must have missed something in the email chain as I am unaware of the
Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you are right that the two letters
should match, especially in front of the media. I can't help to think,
though, that this is an opportunity to drive home the broader point that
neither curiosity nor association is a crime.
Eddan Katz wrote:
> Seems to me like sticking to correcting the misuse of the word
> unconscionable can be respectful to the police chief and informative
> about the difference between skills and criminal intent.
>
> If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow on Workshop
> Weekend's letter and support its posture and position.
>
> There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel pretty
> confident about that. It would be very useful to share a common
> understanding in order not to have our purpose misrepresented.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
>
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins
> <michaeljscroggins at gmail.com <mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I think a statement is well and proper. I also think arguing the
>> right to disinterest inquiry is the proper line.
>>
>> To the earlier back and forth about "known gang members" ... one of
>> the differences between the people at SudoRoom and "known gang
>> members" is simply that to be classified as "known" is to be stripped
>> of your right to disinterested inquiry. All of your actions having
>> been prejudged as interested and malicious.
>>
>> If the letter is worded right we can make a statement about the lock
>> picking class and about the direction policing in Oakland has taken.
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> Eddan Katz wrote:
>>> J.D. - do you think there should be an additional statement from
>>> Sudo Room?
>>>
>>> Before we proceed any further - does anyone have objections to
>>> writing such a letter or signing on to it? What the statement says
>>> is another matter for which Sudo member objections should also feel
>>> empowered to raise. Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad
>>> or on IRC, if someone isn't comfortable doing it on the list.
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:zamfire at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft
>>>> something and send it on?
>>>>
>>>> Part of me is concerned about editing a public statement on a
>>>> public list...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net
>>>> <mailto:eddan at clear.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> J.D. - where were you thinking of publishing this letter?
>>>>
>>>> I think it would make for a stronger and more thoughtful
>>>> response if there was a collective voice signing on to it
>>>> either as a group or listed as individuals.
>>>>
>>>> With the help of the collective editorial prowess of the Sudo
>>>> list, do you think you would be ready to publish it before
>>>> tomorrow morning?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net
>>>> <mailto:eddan at clear.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a
>>>> locksmith company without knowing how to pick a lock?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, <thadwooster at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:thadwooster at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe
>>>> locksmiths are required to be bonded, fingerprinted and
>>>> licensed.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> WTF #@*)DKLJ
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM,
>>>>> where do they think locksmiths learn stuff? Should
>>>>> they have to pay to become a locksmith???
>>>>>
>>>>> So stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Marina Kukso
>>>>> <marina.kukso at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan
>>>>> <eddan at clear.net <mailto:eddan at clear.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, this requires a response. Has anybody
>>>>> started drafting something? If not, I will.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan
>>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22> was
>>>>> not pleased.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'm in shock that people would provide a
>>>>> class to teach people a skill to violate the
>>>>> law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable."
>>>>>
>>>>> Lock-pick instructor Michael Fitzhugh
>>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22> is
>>>>> a member of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of
>>>>> Lockpickers
>>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22>),
>>>>> a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and
>>>>> holds national and international lock-picking
>>>>> events annually. In their world, lock picking
>>>>> is done for sport and bragging rights. But, he
>>>>> says, it's also a useful tool if you lock
>>>>> yourself out of your home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jordan has a more conventional solution to
>>>>> that problem: "Call a locksmith!"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate
>>>>> to change the subject about the incompetence
>>>>> of the OPD in news story after news story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police
>>>>> department that was about to go into an
>>>>> unprecedented federal receivership for its
>>>>> failure to reform; not to mention a police
>>>>> department seared with a global reputation for
>>>>> brutality, racism, and excessive means; and
>>>>> whose fundamental miscalculations and
>>>>> mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost
>>>>> the city millions of dollars.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
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