[sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable

Thu Feb 28 18:44:57 PST 2013

Michael, you're not missing anything -- we haven't finished drafting the
workshop weekend statement yet. :)

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins <
michaeljscroggins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I must have missed something in the email chain as I am unaware of the
> Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you are right that the two letters
> should match, especially in front of the media. I can't help to think,
> though, that this is an opportunity to drive home the broader point that
> neither curiosity nor association is a crime.
>
>
>
> Eddan Katz wrote:
>
> Seems to me like sticking to correcting the misuse of the word
> unconscionable can be respectful to the police chief and informative about
> the difference between skills and criminal intent.
>
> If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow on Workshop
> Weekend's letter and support its posture and position.
>
> There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel pretty confident
> about that. It would be very useful to share a common understanding in
> order not to have our purpose misrepresented.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins <
> michaeljscroggins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I think a statement is well and proper. I also think arguing the right to
> disinterest inquiry is the proper line.
>
> To the earlier back and forth about "known gang members" ... one of the
> differences between the people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is
> simply that to be classified as "known" is to be stripped of your right to
> disinterested inquiry. All of your actions having been prejudged as
> interested and malicious.
>
> If the letter is worded right we can make a statement about the lock
> picking class and about the direction policing in Oakland has taken.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Eddan Katz wrote:
>
> J.D. - do you think there should be an additional statement from Sudo
> Room?
>
> Before we proceed any further - does anyone have objections to writing
> such a letter or signing on to it? What the statement says is another
> matter for which Sudo member objections should also feel empowered to
> raise. Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if
> someone isn't comfortable doing it on the list.
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft something
> and send it on?
>
> Part of me is concerned about editing a public statement on a public
> list...
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>
>> J.D. - where were you thinking of publishing this letter?
>>
>> I think it would make for a stronger and more thoughtful response if
>> there was a collective voice signing on to it either as a group or listed
>> as individuals.
>>
>> With the help of the collective editorial prowess of the Sudo list, do
>> you think you would be ready to publish it before tomorrow morning?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a locksmith
>>> company without knowing how to pick a lock?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, <thadwooster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe locksmiths are required
>>>> to be bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
>>>>
>>>> WTF #@*)DKLJ
>>>>
>>>> I sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM, where do they
>>>> think locksmiths learn stuff?  Should they have to pay to become a
>>>> locksmith???
>>>>
>>>> So stupid.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting
>>>>>> something? If not, I will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22> was
>>>>>> not pleased.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a
>>>>>> skill to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lock-pick instructor Michael Fitzhugh<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22> is
>>>>>> a member of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of Lockpickers<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22>),
>>>>>> a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and
>>>>>> international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking is
>>>>>> done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful tool
>>>>>> if you lock yourself out of your home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call
>>>>>> a locksmith!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject
>>>>>> about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was about
>>>>>> to go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to reform;
>>>>>> not to mention a police department seared with a global reputation for
>>>>>> brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose fundamental
>>>>>> miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost the city
>>>>>> millions of dollars.
>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>> **
>>>>
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