[sudo-discuss] [Noisebridge-discuss] Announcement - RockIT CoLabs

[Romy Ilano]

People were pushing a Sacramento incubator as a hacker space. That place was not open on weekends & had normal business hours. It's website had more advisors than hackers on the front page 

For me you have to actually hack at a hacker space. I don't favor places where there is too much more socializing and promotion than actual hacking but that's my style 

I guess that's one extreme where I couldn't call that a hacker space but ya Sonja is right the definitions are fluid 

I think San Mateo is very challenging for a hacker space set up. People have more space out there , it atracts suburban people wuth kids and it's a bedroom community despite the nice downtown. You're competing with tech shop in menlo park and SF is too close a draw .. 

Maybe a hacker space with child care??? Or by one of the (seriously ) social centers or country clubs?

San Mateo is in a weird position ... SF is just so so close 

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Romy Ilano
romy at snowyla.com

On Jul 7, 2013, at 22:48, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, actual solution: people who are attached to a certain idea of a hackerspace give a hard time to people who aren't/ had a different idea. People on each side decide whether and how much to adjust their behavior or beliefs to avoid future interpersonal unpleasantness. 
> 
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>> Possible solution: Trademark the term "hackerspace", sue those who do not meet stringent ideological requirements.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hackerspaces are combination office space and utopian capital sharing experiment, not to be confused with just shared work space. A place where "all you get is a desk and an internet connection" isn't a hackerspace, it's just a shared work space, even if the people are doing programming for work. 
>> I'm not surprised at all to see someone who's into hackerspaces for the second reason get annoyed when he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused with a work space. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seriously, give the guy a break. It's attitudes like Marc's that drive away people from the "true" hackerspaces. Live and let live: just because his space has a different organizational model than yours doesn't mean it's some sort of evil masterplan to steal all your members and get rich by squeezing money out of them. There are spaces in sf / oakland that charge $250 a month and all you get is a desk and an internet connection. There's room for a whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area. Mitch Altman's dream is a day where there are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seems like sort of a blend of Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a hacker space. Not clear why you think it's a bad thing. I don't see it claiming to be anything that it is not. 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, July 1, 2013, Marc Juul wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, J.C. <r33lmm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Darren Overby <darren at rockitcolabs.com> wrote:
>> Excuse the interruption Noisebridge fans, 
>> 
>> In the interest of possible cross-pollination, I wanted to let you know about a new place to hack - RocSounds like a crap attempt at kIT CoLabs.  
>> 
>> Co-working? yes
>> 
>> Makerspace? yah
>> 
>> Tech startups? check
>> 
>> $200 monthly dues? yep
>> 
>> For profit? nothing stated to the contrary. seems likely.
>> 
>> Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven innocent
>> 
>> Attempt to make their business venture more successful by luring in hackers from local non-profits? sounds like it
>> 
>> "People frequently ask me how I came to be such an unconventional thinker and unusual serial entrepreneur. ... " -- Darren Overby
>> 
>> By being unusually modest? No? Oh, wait, is the answer: By co-opting existing open communities into for-profit organizations?
>> 
>> If this is actually a non-hierarchical non-profit, then color me embarrassed.
>> 
>> Someone please let me know that I'm wrong. Please.
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>> Marc
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>> -steve
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