[sudo-discuss] Giovanni has been banned from the list

[GtwoG PublicOhOne]

IMHO that seems excessively harsh.  Banning someone from the list is
similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such
things entail a collective action by the community rather than an
administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or
someone with keys to the door.   Spambots and overt criminals are one
thing, but people who are merely annoying in some way are another. 

Really:  With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and
consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone
for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core
principles.

If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space,
aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are
dispute-resolution processes in place for that. 

So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the
list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for
resolving the issues you have with him.

-G


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On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
> <g2g-public01 at att.net <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     What happened?  I thought the "john re" address had been captured
>     or spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most
>     recently discussing the FCC application.  Did the _giovanni_re"
>     identity turn out to be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing?   -G
>
>
> He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails
> in nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a
> project that he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on.
> That is not reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and
> counter culture labs meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the
> community's time trying to push this project onto others. It appears
> that he has been doing similar things at noisebridge and other tech
> groups in the bay area.
>
> In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor
> undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on
> people even in the face of little interest. This might have all been
> fine if he was actually spearheading the project, but he is not.
>
> -- 
> Marc

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