[sudo-discuss] Giovanni has been banned from the list

[Sonja Trauss]

Banning someone for being annoying is something you guys will probably have
to do often and you should definitely not do it.

As far as I can tell, what makes NB dis functional is their commitment to
come one come all. "All" is not a great group, necessarily. If you are
trying to build a club that is self-governing, it has to have people in it
whose judgment you trust. There's nothing wrong with that I think.

On Thursday, October 31, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:

>
> IMHO that seems excessively harsh.  Banning someone from the list is
> similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such
> things entail a collective action by the community rather than an
> administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or someone
> with keys to the door.   Spambots and overt criminals are one thing, but
> people who are merely annoying in some way are another.
>
> Really:  With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and
> consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone
> for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core
> principles.
>
> If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space,
> aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are
> dispute-resolution processes in place for that.
>
> So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the
> list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for
> resolving the issues you have with him.
>
> -G
>
>
> =====
>
>
> On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'g2g-public01 at att.net');>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> What happened?  I thought the "john re" address had been captured or
>> spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most recently
>> discussing the FCC application.  Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to
>> be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing?   -G
>>
>
>  He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails in
> nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a project that
> he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not
> reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and counter culture labs
> meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the community's time trying to
> push this project onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar
> things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay area.
>
>  In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor
> undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on people
> even in the face of little interest. This might have all been fine if he
> was actually spearheading the project, but he is not.
>
> --
>  Marc
>
>
>
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