[sudo-discuss] Yandex: was Re: If Sudoroom ppl serious re getting an FCC radio license, should start wkly mtgs immediately.

[Eddan Katz]

I disagree with this risk/benefit analysis below. The risk of excluding some Russian programmers (or émigrés) due to this policy is not 0. (Might want to scan our current membership)

The loss of excluding an enthusiastic Sudo person because of an overbroad ban is disproportionately high for a place emphasizing openness and inclusion.
I say: Take down the wall!

As a policy, I think it only makes sense to ban an address after it has been demonstrated that it has abused its privilege. Until then, I think all email addresses should be considered innocent until proven guilty.


My 2 bitcoins.
(2 is worth a lot these days on the bitcoin market, isn't it?)

sent from eddan.com

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 2:38 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:
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> The probability of anyone in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, or Kazakhstan, becoming an SR member, asymptotically approaches zero.  The probability of spams, scams, spyware, malware, etc. coming from     those locations, is high.  The ratio of spam to real correspondence from yandex.com addresses is presently 1.0 : 0. 
> 
> That's a lousy risk/benefit ratio.  So IMHO ban the hell out of yandex.com and any other domain that shows itself to be a significant source of spam etc. 
> 
> "Open" as in "accepting" does not equal "open" as in "unprotected."  We are not under any obligation to have no collective immune system.  Species without immune defenses don't even last long enough to become footnotes in archaeology.  
> 
> -G
> 
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>> On 13-10-30-Wed 5:10 PM, Steve Berl wrote:
>> You might not want to ban everyone from yandex.com. It is a huge ISP with many millions of customers from all over Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. It would be equivalent to banning everyone from yahoo.com or similar. 
>> 
>> I'd suggest a bit more specific filtering.
>> 
>> -steve
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > The spam From: field says "john re <giovanni-re at yandex.com>"
>>> > The real emails seem to come from "giovanni_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
>>> 
>>> The spam emails all came from:
>>> 
>>>    giovanni-re at yandex.com
>>>    carefullychipped at yandex.com
>>> 
>>> Neither of these had posted to the list before, and both were banned.
>>> A pattern also became clear after yet another new subscriber showed
>>> up, named:
>>> 
>>>    yardena.cohen at yandex.com
>>> 
>>> Creepy! At that point I just decided to ban everything from
>>> yandex.com, which seems to have stopped the problem. There were no
>>> other subscribers from that domain.
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>> 
>> -- 
>> -steve
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