[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] physical security working group?

[Cere Misc]

I am not so much about video based security as I am wanting to see more
"lockup" space for members.  Sudo has added these nice larger (some of them
lockable if members bring a lock) containers in their space.  I like this.
They are larger and able to store a more reasonable sized space for
"hackers".  I know this is one a lot of other peoples radar as well, I just
wanted to say that I care about it and have my eye out for more of these
kinds of stackable secure storage solutions.

-Cere

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
wrote:

> *(psst - don't tell yar, but I think you hit Reply All ;-)*
>
> As far as social pressure goes - I want to make it clear that I am not
> specifically advocating in favor of video surveillance. I just wanted to
> better understand what the landscape of attitudes around this topic at the
> Omni looks like, since I remembered this topic coming up at Sudo in the
> past as well.
>
> Yar - is your objection specifically with video? Or would you have similar
> objections if we had a motion sensor or RFID system that allowed tracking
> people throughout the different rooms in the building? In this case,
> there'd be no images that could be used for surveillance outside the Omni,
> and it would be impossible to tell what people are doing in the different
> rooms, but there would still be information on attendance and association
> patterns that could theoretically be abused by a 3rd party.
>
> Patrik
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Stan Osborne <stan at ana.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> This messages is between you and myself, for the moment.
>>
>> I say we have all the resources at OMNI for building industrial security
>> capable of earning Yar's trust.
>>
>> The following is cut from a friend and collaborator's CV.
>>
>>    5.10 Seguridad de la Información:
>>         RENIEC – Seminario Internacional;  Seguridad de la Información
>>         Expositor : Msc. Stan Osborne
>>         Swissotel, San Isidro, Lima, PERU
>>         Enero 24, 25 y 26 2001
>>
>> I try hard to avoid bragging, until it might be useful.  RENIEC is an
>> acronym for a government agency in Peru.   Any adult Peruvian with a
>> National ID card knows what it stands for.
>>
>> Let's start collecting requirements for OMNI internal secure storage,
>> both physical and digital.
>>
>> By all means, it is to early to trust claims contained here-i.
>>
>> Today I'm short on time, but will have more time Sunday evening and hope
>> to stop by then.
>>
>> Stan
>>
>>
>> On Sat, December 6, 2014 2:57 pm, yar wrote:
>> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Back at the old sudo location, there were a few muggings right outside
>> >> the
>> >> door. I remember there was some discussion at that time about under
>> what
>> >> conditions a security camera might be acceptable. E.g. using strong
>> >> encryption, auto-erasing after some expiration date, and requiring
>> >> multiple
>> >> keys to unlock the recordings.
>> >>
>> >> Would those kinds of safeguards satisfy your concerns around video
>> >> surveillance?
>> >
>> > It would take some work to get me to trust a scheme like this... and
>> > it would create social pressure to accept whatever results...
>> >
>> >> Did Sudo ever wind up installing a security camera at the
>> >> front door in the old location?
>> >
>> > The landlord had a video surveillance system, so it was moot.
>> >
>> >> PS: are there any particular security needs that La Commune needs help
>> >> with
>> >> ASAP?
>> >
>> > Yes, securing their books after-hours.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
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