[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] physical security working group?

Sat Dec 6 17:53:53 PST 2014

Yeah, to store gear you'd almost be better off putting the skinny lockers
on their side, so at least you'd have a very long shelf to put stuff on. :-D

The trunks are interesting - I didn't know that's what they were; just
assumed they were more random obtainium that someone had dragged in...

Patrik

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I often find that the tall skinny ones are just too dammed skinny.  Sudo
> now just has these trunks all stacked on top of one another that can be
> opened and closed and a padlock can be added.  It's doesn't have to be
> iso9000 compliant "lockers" to be considered a locker.
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What size lockers would be most useful for people? I've mostly been
>> looking out for the 1-cubic-foot versions. The taller lockers tend to be
>> designed to hang up clothing, which isn't quite as useful for us. But they
>> could be subdivided with internal shelving.
>>
>> Here's one CL posting for a 2-tier set of eight 3ft high lockers for
>> $120: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/fuo/4792420191.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I could easily imagine a few walls in the basement (or for sudo and CCL,
>> along the long graffitti wall) covered with lockers, with a clear price
>> list for different sizes and shapes. Maybe charge $5/mo for the cubic foot
>> version, $12/mo for the 3ft ones, and $20 for a full height one? We'd need
>> to set up some payment system to manage them though - including cutting off
>> unauthorized locks, emptying abandoned lockers, and everything else that
>> comes with that...
>>
>> Suitable lockers on CraigsList can be found at very affordable rates
>> (with some patience anyway), but they do require a truck to move...
>>
>> Patrik
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not so much about video based security as I am wanting to see more
>>> "lockup" space for members.  Sudo has added these nice larger (some of them
>>> lockable if members bring a lock) containers in their space.  I like this.
>>> They are larger and able to store a more reasonable sized space for
>>> "hackers".  I know this is one a lot of other peoples radar as well, I just
>>> wanted to say that I care about it and have my eye out for more of these
>>> kinds of stackable secure storage solutions.
>>>
>>> -Cere
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *(psst - don't tell yar, but I think you hit Reply All ;-)*
>>>>
>>>> As far as social pressure goes - I want to make it clear that I am not
>>>> specifically advocating in favor of video surveillance. I just wanted to
>>>> better understand what the landscape of attitudes around this topic at the
>>>> Omni looks like, since I remembered this topic coming up at Sudo in the
>>>> past as well.
>>>>
>>>> Yar - is your objection specifically with video? Or would you have
>>>> similar objections if we had a motion sensor or RFID system that allowed
>>>> tracking people throughout the different rooms in the building? In this
>>>> case, there'd be no images that could be used for surveillance outside the
>>>> Omni, and it would be impossible to tell what people are doing in the
>>>> different rooms, but there would still be information on attendance and
>>>> association patterns that could theoretically be abused by a 3rd party.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Stan Osborne <stan at ana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> This messages is between you and myself, for the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I say we have all the resources at OMNI for building industrial
>>>>> security
>>>>> capable of earning Yar's trust.
>>>>>
>>>>> The following is cut from a friend and collaborator's CV.
>>>>>
>>>>>    5.10 Seguridad de la Información:
>>>>>         RENIEC – Seminario Internacional;  Seguridad de la Información
>>>>>         Expositor : Msc. Stan Osborne
>>>>>         Swissotel, San Isidro, Lima, PERU
>>>>>         Enero 24, 25 y 26 2001
>>>>>
>>>>> I try hard to avoid bragging, until it might be useful.  RENIEC is an
>>>>> acronym for a government agency in Peru.   Any adult Peruvian with a
>>>>> National ID card knows what it stands for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's start collecting requirements for OMNI internal secure storage,
>>>>> both physical and digital.
>>>>>
>>>>> By all means, it is to early to trust claims contained here-i.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I'm short on time, but will have more time Sunday evening and
>>>>> hope
>>>>> to stop by then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, December 6, 2014 2:57 pm, yar wrote:
>>>>> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
>>>>> patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >> Back at the old sudo location, there were a few muggings right
>>>>> outside
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> door. I remember there was some discussion at that time about under
>>>>> what
>>>>> >> conditions a security camera might be acceptable. E.g. using strong
>>>>> >> encryption, auto-erasing after some expiration date, and requiring
>>>>> >> multiple
>>>>> >> keys to unlock the recordings.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Would those kinds of safeguards satisfy your concerns around video
>>>>> >> surveillance?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It would take some work to get me to trust a scheme like this... and
>>>>> > it would create social pressure to accept whatever results...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Did Sudo ever wind up installing a security camera at the
>>>>> >> front door in the old location?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The landlord had a video surveillance system, so it was moot.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> PS: are there any particular security needs that La Commune needs
>>>>> help
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> ASAP?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, securing their books after-hours.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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